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Why Ann Coulter will never get to heaven


I am exhausted from the debate Dave of NixGuy and I have been engaged in about Ann Coulter and perfecting Jews and the tenets of the 80% versus the desires of the 1.5% (though some say 3% or even a bit more).

But I urge you to go read what we’ve written today, because the post contains absolutely basic, necessary questions that we all need to answer – for ourselves and each other.

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By Jill Miller Zimon at 10:22 am October 15th, 2007 in Jewish, Judaism, Marketing, Media, Religion, Women, Writing 

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10 Responses to “Why Ann Coulter will never get to heaven”

  1. 1 Paul on October 15th, 2007 4:34 pm

    The reality is that this debate can never end — we can do the “yes it is, no it isn’t” dance until the end of time. I guess then we’ll find out who is right (there just might be more than one right answer!).

    Until then, don’t let Ann Coulter get to you.

    PL

  2. 2 Jill Miller Zimon on October 15th, 2007 8:49 pm

    You’re cute. Okay – well – I don’t let Ann get to me but I do like learning about how people see these issues. Frustrating as it can be, I really enjoy the debate Dave and I and many commenters (who often don’t come back for more, I should say – wooses! lol) are having. Have you glanced in?

    Only thing, Paul – I’m not so sure it’s a yes it is no it isn’t dance. Which dance exactly are you referring to? I would see it as a can you just leave me alone and not worry so much about whether I convert or not, versus the compulsion to have to get every last Jew to convert before the Messiah will arrive (that’s a vulgar simplification – I apologize, sincerely, just trying to say it in a short way).

    But – as others noted in the lengthy debate, and I agree – Dave said it I think – it’s not so bad that I have to put up with others wanting to reach heaven and therefore hoping I’ll change. But I’d like it a whole lot better if we could, instead, work together on all those other tenets related to good deeds and such. Do you know what I mean?

  3. 3 Paul on October 15th, 2007 11:35 pm

    Coulter’s statement is mainstream Christian theology – a direct command from Jesus. One cannot claim to be a Christian and believe otherwise. She may not be the best disciple, but her words have fidelity to the faith.

    So the real question is, what does she or any other Christian do in response to that belief?

    Well, I’m very sure that Mother Teresa held this core Christian belief. But she also did as Jesus modeled – serve first, then teach. Sometimes you have to do a lot of service to get the opportunity to teach.

    It’s quite another thing for people in power to use the tenants of their faith to proscribe the behavior of others. This is what I think the First Amendment protects us from. The challenge is figuring out when the line gets crossed. E.G. When is the killing of another murder? The answer ofteen hangs on one’s definition of ‘another.’ (e.g. fetus-baby, man-soldier).

    I had a voter ask me if I thought it was appropriate that Muslim kids are excused from class to pray during Ramadan. Or if the Muslim commmunity should have been allowed to hold their celebration of the end of Ramadan in the school, with all kids invited to attend? I answered yes to both.

    This world needs a lot less ignorance and self-righteousness.

  4. 4 Jill Miller Zimon on October 16th, 2007 8:26 pm

    Ok – so tell me – because I’m asking and only one person so far has even tried to answer this: why didn’t Coulter go with her perfect country being one that’s all Republican and all Christian, meaning everyone serves? why did she go with the most provocative and most easily misunderstood?

    How do Christians really FEEL about her and how she seems – I say seems because maybe you don’t feel the same way – to abuse and pervert the religion or its tenets?

    I mean – I hated Meir Kahane and what he did to the world’s images of Jews – and I said that all the time, before during and after he died.

    Why don’t people condemn Coulter for her being provocative for her own gain? Or do they really not see it that way?

  5. 5 Scott Pullins on October 16th, 2007 9:30 pm

    Is it me or is Ann getting ugly? She used to be kinda cute, even stunning at times. But her voice has gone all gravely or nasal or something, and her Connecticut accent keeps getting stronger and stronger. Plus she’s starting to get kinda of anorexic.

    She was cool when she was hot and strident. But now that she’s getting kooky and haggard, I just don’t know.

  6. 6 Paul on October 16th, 2007 11:22 pm

    Christianity has splintered into a broad spectrum of beliefs over the past 2,000 years, and if there are really two billion Christians on this planet, then there are probably a few million answers to your question. All I can do is speak for myself.

    Which is to say that what Coulter has to say is not the least bit important to me. She irrelevant. Anyone can mouth the principles of the faith – living them are much harder.

    Yes, I think the world would be a better place if we could all follow what Christians call the Great Commandments: Love God and love each other. Stuff like political affiliation isn’t important. Coulter was irresponsible to connect the two.

  7. 7 Jill Miller Zimon on October 19th, 2007 9:33 am

    Scott – I’ll have to give your comment an official “no comment” and a “beauty is in the eye of the beholder.” :)

  8. 8 Jill Miller Zimon on October 19th, 2007 9:35 am

    Paul, I really appreciate you leaving this part of the comment in particular: “Yes, I think the world would be a better place if we could all follow what Christians call the Great Commandments: Love God and love each other. Stuff like political affiliation isn’t important. Coulter was irresponsible to connect the two.”

    That’s what I always thought. What is wrong with that? Why can’t it still be that way? What changed? That’s what I would really like to understand. I suspect there are books and studies out there on it.

  9. 9 Paul on October 19th, 2007 3:29 pm

    I’ll blame it on statistics and pollsters.

    If you’re a consultant and you charge a zillion dollars to perform polling and analyze the results, you need to have some way of grouping respondants.

    So you sit in a bar one night with your cohorts and dream up “evangelical Christian right-wing conservative Republican” as one category, and it sticks. Hum. Need some more.

    How about “agnostic left-wing liberal Democrat?” Another good one.

    But aren’t there “evangelical Christian left-wing liberal Democrats?” I know there are because I have frequent debates with one who also attends my church.

    How about “agnostic right wing liberal Republicans?” I think there’s some of those too, in fact I’m sure a number of my friends fit into this category.

    It’s really back to my point that folks are all too eager to hang a one-word label on someone and then stereotype a whole bunch of characteristics they assume goes along with their label.

  10. 10 Jill Miller Zimon on October 19th, 2007 4:45 pm

    Yup. I agree. Good point, well-stated.

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