Comments on: Why are Christians not condemning the perversion of religion for profit?

By: MATTHEW 5:29…

MATTHEW 5:29… — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:58:50 +0000

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By: Jill Miller Zimon

Jill Miller Zimon — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:51:31 +0000

Paul – it was in fact someone else on the Wide Open threads – “skydaddy61″ I think or “ntyson” – one or the other. And they returned to correct me – I had it a bit backwards!

But I agree 100% with you here too: You believe in fate – I believe in justice. Coulter will experience the consquences of her behavior.

By: Jill Miller Zimon

Jill Miller Zimon — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:49:49 +0000

I agree 100% with this, Roland: “No matter what religion one is, I for one, do not feel profiteering should be accepted as part of spreading the word nor should it be tolerated within the relgious community.” I just don’t see why that is not an absolute for people of all faiths.

By: Jill Miller Zimon

Jill Miller Zimon — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:45:44 +0000

Jack – that’s an interesting distinction you make – re: Christians accepted a free gift for Eternal Life (though shouldn’t all gifts be free to the recipient? If you get the gift only if you accept Jesus, is that still a gift?).
Jews don’t believe that life is Eternal. So accepting the gift would be accepting something of no value to Jews. We’d have to have other beliefs about the afterlife – which we don’t and aren’t part of Judaism.
And – like I wrote – if you must accept Jesus in return for Eternal Life, well, then, it’s not really a gift, is it?

By: Paul

Paul — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:02:07 +0000

“Someone wrote in a comment something about how the most important commandment in terms of a hierarchy for Christians is to not do that which is hateful to others.”

Jill: if this is in reference to a comment I made, I didn’t get my point across. The Great Commandments are to love God, and to love one another. The meaning is all wrapped up in what ‘love’ connotes, and that would take lots of writing and discussion.

Christians look at the life of Jesus as a model for how we should live. He served first, taught second.

And as I said before, the writings in the Christian Bible with nearly all the bizarre imagery about the end times are contained within Revelations, a book written in the apocalyptic style, and one that not all Christian scholars agree should have been included in the Bible (and some books were left out, like the Gospel of Thomas).

I guess I refuse to get wound up about Ann Coulter. In this big world, there are all kinds of folks talking crazy stuff, mostly for self-serving reasons.

You believe in fate – I believe in justice. Coulter will experience the consquences of her behavior.

By: Roland Hansen

Roland Hansen — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:59:23 +0000

er, ah, ahem,
I mistyped. The last two words in the very last sentence of my previous comment should be “religious community.”
Sorry.

By: Roland Hansen

Roland Hansen — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:55:47 +0000

In that I am not Christian and in that I have a very similar background to Jill, I understand and completely agree with her.
I have made a few comments on a variety of blogs, e-bulletin boards, and my own two blogs that are somewhat along the same lines.
Jack’s comment that precedes mine, as well intended as it tries to be, is just another example of how exasperating the intrusion of Christians unto non-Christians and their proselytizing can be.
I will never forget a conversation my wife and I had with a “good Christian” couple who are neighbors of ours in which the woman said “Just because you’re Jewish doesn’t mean you can’t be good Christians.” That same couple frequently make references to being “jewed” or to “that Jew.”
The money pot just keeps on growing for some of the televangelists and for several other Christian ministers in real life congregations to the point that many live a life of luxury far beyond the rest of us, let alone the poor and needy.
No matter what religion one is, I for one, do not feel profiteering should be accepted as part of spreading the word nor should it be tolerated within the relgious community.

By: Jack

Jack — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:23:52 +0000

The only reason Ann’s comments are getting such static is that it they were stated in a context of what Jews should do (i.e., convert or be “perfected”), as though Jews were somehow special in their shortfall. The fact is, and this is historic christian doctrine, we ALL fall short of God’s glory, therefore need a Savior. It’s not a Jewish “problem”, it’s a human one. The same can be said of Muslims, Hindus, Germans or Irish. If it’s human, it’s separated from God by sin and needing redemption. How is that anti-Semitic? The accusation is universally applicable, so no one group is singled out. The same solution is offered to all, therefore no discrimination. Christians aren’t any better than the next person; they just have been made aware of–and accepted–a free gift called Eternal Life offered by God through Christ. Everyone is free to reject it or receive it. A more level playing field I cannot imagine.

By: Coulter Christians « Bad American

Coulter Christians « Bad American — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:52:13 +0000

[...] on the PD Wide Open Blog, you should check it out. This morning WLST’s Jill Miller-Zimon wrote a long entry (I have a feeing she was up all night) in her blog asking a very basic and simple question that [...]