Comments on: Plain Dealer’s Wide Open experiment, 1.0, shuts its doors

By: Randi Rhodes: where's the Ohio sphere's commentary? | Writes Like She Talks

Randi Rhodes: where's the Ohio sphere's commentary? | Writes Like She Talks — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:27:59 +0000

[...] was suspended, then she quit/was forced to resigned (hmm – Ohio bloggers, where have we heard that before?). More on that from the Huffington Post.As usual, Joe Gandelman at The Moderate Voice has very [...]

By: Scare quote-journalism, ethics and the rest of us (mini-Wide Open update) | Writes Like She Talks

Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:01:42 +0000

[...] Matt Dickman on his blog, Techno//Marketer: The blogger, journalist divide with references to you know what [...]

By: Take those damn scare quotes off of “citizen” journalism | Writes Like She Talks

Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:27:28 +0000

[...] the Wide Open debacle was created to give them something to talk [...]

By: Surprise! Traditional media makes factual error that could lead to perception of bias | Writes Like She Talks

Sun, 04 Nov 2007 14:07:50 +0000

[...] other thing is, when the Plain Dealer is getting down on an experimental project because it pays the authors a pittance but stillgets all hot and bothered because a sitting [...]

By: John Ettorre

John Ettorre — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:02:57 +0000

Yes, Jeff, you still sound a tad paranoid. At least to me. Big papers, like big institutions everywhere, are almost guaranteed by their very nature to cause disappointment to many, because they can’t be everything and do everything everyone would like. The PD has more than its share of problems, but few if any are the result of the kinds of furtive conspiracies of which you always seem to suggest.

And I agree with Sloat that a strong, well-conceived disclaimer statement would have probably solved this, or at least insulated it from the worst.

By: Blue Dog Rising

Blue Dog Rising — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:26:01 +0000

Great decision, Jill…
Yellow Dog Sammy is right (Dem dogs always are)…
It was a clash of two paradigms…Older media (PD obviously) do not know yet how to cope with the political blogosphere — left or right.

History lesson for PD: Daily Kos raised its national visibility considerably in 2003-04, in part, because Dkos actively raised $$ for targeted congressional campaigns (Obama,Stephanie Herseth) and Howard Dean. So the PD’s self-absorbed and self-delusional position on Jeff Coryell — with or without LaTourette’s complaint — is damn naive. (Duh…you mean bloggers are political activists?) And Mike Curtin of Dispatch isn’t the first big dog publisher/editor type to contribute to campaigns — or even candidates. Check the records for past PD publishers Vail and Machaske.

Keep up the great work right here on WLST. There will be other sphere “experiments” that will welcome you. Look for an outreach from a “deceased” Ohio governor who was a fan of yours on Wide Open.

By: jeff buster

jeff buster — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:25:19 +0000

Good Morning Jill,

In your second to last paragraph, didn’t you mean to write “intolerable”, not “tolerable”?
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Remember when I questioned you in a comment on WLSTs a month or two ago (I searched WLST but couldn’t get a link) about why would anyone link to the Dirty Dealer? Maybe my comment then struck readers as a paranoid, far fetched conspiracy theory….how about today?

Will you still link to the DD and help them build an audience and profits which are used to support their systematic and willful abuse of honest expression?

By: Bill Sloat

Bill Sloat — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:51:31 +0000

Hi Jill –

You have integrity, you have class, you have a great intellect and you will still be writing powerful commentary and publishing it in your own house.

Pretty cool, Jill.

Sorry that Wide Open didn’t work out. I don’t think the disclaimer was strong enough, as I’ve said in other places. I don’t see any reason why bloggers can’t put their money and their mouths in the same place. I think the public at large can grasp that concept if they are educated a little. I can see why overt partisanship makes an orthodox, traditional MSM newspaper freak out. In your heart of hearts, I think you understand that, too.

Somewhere down the line there is probably a huge upside to this event, Jill.

By: MY COMMENTS…

MY COMMENTS… — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:50:53 +0000

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By: Jeff Hess

Jeff Hess — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:48:32 +0000

Shalom Jill,

The mammals did not need to figure out how to live with the dinosaurs; the dinosaurs needed to figure out how to live with the mammals.

And we know the outcome of that relationship.

B’shalom,

Jeff