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	<title>Comments on: Cleveland Jewish leaders dismayed at Imam Alzaree&#8217;s resignation</title>
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		<title>By: Jill Miller Zimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Miller Zimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>King - I&#039;m giggling in a friendly way here - you have to choose: either I finish the Carnival of Ohio Politics or we engage on this topic - but I&#039;ve covered it all before - you are being kind of hysterical and conclusory and speculative and provocative.

That&#039;s your choice - but I think you know better, based on our exchanges here, on your blog and via private emails.

So - I would say to you - listen to what you are saying, what you are accusing me of, based on...what? Your fears or anger?  But not based on what I&#039;ve actually ever done OR said.

So I would say, calm down, the world isn&#039;t ending, what Dann wrote doesn&#039;t change anything - for better OR for worse.

And let me finish the CARNIVAL!!! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>King &#8211; I&#8217;m giggling in a friendly way here &#8211; you have to choose: either I finish the Carnival of Ohio Politics or we engage on this topic &#8211; but I&#8217;ve covered it all before &#8211; you are being kind of hysterical and conclusory and speculative and provocative.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s your choice &#8211; but I think you know better, based on our exchanges here, on your blog and via private emails.</p>
<p>So &#8211; I would say to you &#8211; listen to what you are saying, what you are accusing me of, based on&#8230;what? Your fears or anger?  But not based on what I&#8217;ve actually ever done OR said.</p>
<p>So I would say, calm down, the world isn&#8217;t ending, what Dann wrote doesn&#8217;t change anything &#8211; for better OR for worse.</p>
<p>And let me finish the CARNIVAL!!! <img src='http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: David Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if any one of the Cleveland active bloggers ever bothered to dig around the current interim imam of the Cleveland islamic center..? He is still hidden under the title&quot;interim imam&quot;.. I think we should do some effort in disclosing his history and background, too.. His name and little information about him was in Plain Dealers David Brigg&#039;s first article that was about hiring Imam Alzaree and deprtation of his ex.. If my memory is still working efficiently, it was late in September.. I think his name was imam Samer Altabaa (www.iccleveland.org).. Is he still working there? By the way, why is he interim and not permanent? Why do the Cleveland&#039;s mosque board want to replace him? It&#039;s all suspicious for me and should be same for you too..!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if any one of the Cleveland active bloggers ever bothered to dig around the current interim imam of the Cleveland islamic center..? He is still hidden under the title&#8221;interim imam&#8221;.. I think we should do some effort in disclosing his history and background, too.. His name and little information about him was in Plain Dealers David Brigg&#8217;s first article that was about hiring Imam Alzaree and deprtation of his ex.. If my memory is still working efficiently, it was late in September.. I think his name was imam Samer Altabaa (www.iccleveland.org).. Is he still working there? By the way, why is he interim and not permanent? Why do the Cleveland&#8217;s mosque board want to replace him? It&#8217;s all suspicious for me and should be same for you too..!!</p>
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		<title>By: King</title>
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		<dc:creator>King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just what I thought... a double standard!

Don&#039;t you worry, it will be pursued! 

What kind of response is this Jill?
Do Christians, when they’ve had a tough day, use that phrase, ever? 

Because if it’s okay for them to say it…

So with this line of thinking - you think since blacks use the &quot;N&quot; word amongst themselves - it is OK for everyone to use it?

Since homosexuals use derogatory terms &amp; names to describe themselves within their circles - it is acceptable for all to use the same language?

I am quite confident that there are derogatory terms used within Jewish circles that if said by a non Jewish person would be found offensive... but your saying these derogatory words or statements should NOT be considered offensive.

So I can tell an off-color or religiously offensive Jewish joke - and that is OK?

Jill, listen to what you are saying!

King</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just what I thought&#8230; a double standard!</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you worry, it will be pursued! </p>
<p>What kind of response is this Jill?<br />
Do Christians, when they’ve had a tough day, use that phrase, ever? </p>
<p>Because if it’s okay for them to say it…</p>
<p>So with this line of thinking &#8211; you think since blacks use the &#8220;N&#8221; word amongst themselves &#8211; it is OK for everyone to use it?</p>
<p>Since homosexuals use derogatory terms &amp; names to describe themselves within their circles &#8211; it is acceptable for all to use the same language?</p>
<p>I am quite confident that there are derogatory terms used within Jewish circles that if said by a non Jewish person would be found offensive&#8230; but your saying these derogatory words or statements should NOT be considered offensive.</p>
<p>So I can tell an off-color or religiously offensive Jewish joke &#8211; and that is OK?</p>
<p>Jill, listen to what you are saying!</p>
<p>King</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Miller Zimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Miller Zimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m staying on the fence on this one - I just read the Dayton article I can&#039;t figure out who Bentley is, and who the nasty posts were about and who Dann thinks had a harder day than Jesus  - the email was to Jennings, so I guess Dann thinks Jennings had it harder than Jesus? I have no idea.

The most important thing is: do Christians want an apology?  If so, then pursue it.

I wouldn&#039;t say it and I didn&#039;t say it and I can&#039;t really even figure out what was said.

Please - can we remember - even with Coulter? I said NOTHING.  I didn&#039;t ask for apologies bla bla bla.

Dave Stacy wanted a discussion - we had that.

Really - this stuff gets NUTS with the apology-asking  - I&#039;ve said that before.

Now - what I would like to know, however, is whether Christians ever use that expression?

As I wrote - I had to think about it for a minute, because it&#039;s not my frame of reference.

Do Christians, when they&#039;ve had a tough day, use that phrase, ever? 

Because if it&#039;s okay for them to say it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m staying on the fence on this one &#8211; I just read the Dayton article I can&#8217;t figure out who Bentley is, and who the nasty posts were about and who Dann thinks had a harder day than Jesus  &#8211; the email was to Jennings, so I guess Dann thinks Jennings had it harder than Jesus? I have no idea.</p>
<p>The most important thing is: do Christians want an apology?  If so, then pursue it.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say it and I didn&#8217;t say it and I can&#8217;t really even figure out what was said.</p>
<p>Please &#8211; can we remember &#8211; even with Coulter? I said NOTHING.  I didn&#8217;t ask for apologies bla bla bla.</p>
<p>Dave Stacy wanted a discussion &#8211; we had that.</p>
<p>Really &#8211; this stuff gets NUTS with the apology-asking  &#8211; I&#8217;ve said that before.</p>
<p>Now &#8211; what I would like to know, however, is whether Christians ever use that expression?</p>
<p>As I wrote &#8211; I had to think about it for a minute, because it&#8217;s not my frame of reference.</p>
<p>Do Christians, when they&#8217;ve had a tough day, use that phrase, ever? </p>
<p>Because if it&#8217;s okay for them to say it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: King</title>
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		<dc:creator>King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but should Dann get a free pass for his remarks?

Do you feel he owes Christians a public apology for these statements?

The MSM is trying to keep a lid on this - I for one will not allow that to happen!

You know as well as I do, if remarks like this were made about the Holocaust there would outrage!  Everyone would be expected to condemn the person making the remarks.

Yet here, the top law dog of our state, the person to protect us from &quot;Hate Speech,&quot; the person who is supposed to be upholding the laws as far as tolerance of religion - and nothing is said.

Seems pretty hypocritical and like a double standard.

King</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but should Dann get a free pass for his remarks?</p>
<p>Do you feel he owes Christians a public apology for these statements?</p>
<p>The MSM is trying to keep a lid on this &#8211; I for one will not allow that to happen!</p>
<p>You know as well as I do, if remarks like this were made about the Holocaust there would outrage!  Everyone would be expected to condemn the person making the remarks.</p>
<p>Yet here, the top law dog of our state, the person to protect us from &#8220;Hate Speech,&#8221; the person who is supposed to be upholding the laws as far as tolerance of religion &#8211; and nothing is said.</p>
<p>Seems pretty hypocritical and like a double standard.</p>
<p>King</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Miller Zimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Miller Zimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>King - I&#039;ve only heard about it because of a blog title here or there in my RSS - I haven&#039;t taken the time to review what happened and the context so I&#039;m reluctant to judge.

I can only tell you that, based on what you wrote, I can say with 100% certainty, I would never say anything like that, I don&#039;t know anyone who would say anything like that and I actually had to think about it for a moment - because I&#039;ve never heard anyone say that before anyway.

When I&#039;ve had a bad day or been treated badly, let&#039;s say - had more than my share of really nasty commenters at Wide Open? :)

I still can&#039;t imagine reaching into my hyperbole bag and pulling that one out.

But I&#039;m not Marc Dann.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>King &#8211; I&#8217;ve only heard about it because of a blog title here or there in my RSS &#8211; I haven&#8217;t taken the time to review what happened and the context so I&#8217;m reluctant to judge.</p>
<p>I can only tell you that, based on what you wrote, I can say with 100% certainty, I would never say anything like that, I don&#8217;t know anyone who would say anything like that and I actually had to think about it for a moment &#8211; because I&#8217;ve never heard anyone say that before anyway.</p>
<p>When I&#8217;ve had a bad day or been treated badly, let&#8217;s say &#8211; had more than my share of really nasty commenters at Wide Open? <img src='http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I still can&#8217;t imagine reaching into my hyperbole bag and pulling that one out.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m not Marc Dann.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Miller Zimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Miller Zimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David - I agree with you to a point.  Where I diverge is here: I can&#039;t quite call it proud - that isn&#039;t quite right to me.  I mean, I AM proud that we can find enough of a consensus among ourselves as members of the same religion to achieve goals, and that as individuals with a certain background and backbone, we can achieve great things too.

But I don&#039;t feel pride in a situation like this with the Imam.  I&#039;m not really sure how I feel or how to describe how I feel when something like that happens.

Being honest (as usual lol): relieved.  I feel a sense of relief.  But I also believe that there&#039;s truth to saying, well - let&#039;s see how he conducts himself - what do his current and future behaviors tell us.

But ok - he resigned.  That&#039;s fine.

I guess my concern is about misuse of such abilities we have as a group and misperceptions of the use of that ability - do you know what I mean?

I have no respect for people who through their weight around because they can.  That is absolutely without value to me.

So judicious use of the power you describe is good.  Otherwise, it causes me great concern.

Does that make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8211; I agree with you to a point.  Where I diverge is here: I can&#8217;t quite call it proud &#8211; that isn&#8217;t quite right to me.  I mean, I AM proud that we can find enough of a consensus among ourselves as members of the same religion to achieve goals, and that as individuals with a certain background and backbone, we can achieve great things too.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t feel pride in a situation like this with the Imam.  I&#8217;m not really sure how I feel or how to describe how I feel when something like that happens.</p>
<p>Being honest (as usual lol): relieved.  I feel a sense of relief.  But I also believe that there&#8217;s truth to saying, well &#8211; let&#8217;s see how he conducts himself &#8211; what do his current and future behaviors tell us.</p>
<p>But ok &#8211; he resigned.  That&#8217;s fine.</p>
<p>I guess my concern is about misuse of such abilities we have as a group and misperceptions of the use of that ability &#8211; do you know what I mean?</p>
<p>I have no respect for people who through their weight around because they can.  That is absolutely without value to me.</p>
<p>So judicious use of the power you describe is good.  Otherwise, it causes me great concern.</p>
<p>Does that make sense?</p>
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		<title>By: King</title>
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		<dc:creator>King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Walker &amp; Jill,

I believe this guy was a sheep in wolf&#039;s clothing.  I am with Tom B pretty much on everything he says.

But I do need to ask a question....

I am wondering - with all the attention to being tolerant of other religion, what are the feelings of the Cleveland Jewish community about Marc Dann&#039;s remarks about Good Friday?

In an email about a bad press day, Dann wrote - “Jesus had it better on good friday.”

King</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Walker &amp; Jill,</p>
<p>I believe this guy was a sheep in wolf&#8217;s clothing.  I am with Tom B pretty much on everything he says.</p>
<p>But I do need to ask a question&#8230;.</p>
<p>I am wondering &#8211; with all the attention to being tolerant of other religion, what are the feelings of the Cleveland Jewish community about Marc Dann&#8217;s remarks about Good Friday?</p>
<p>In an email about a bad press day, Dann wrote &#8211; “Jesus had it better on good friday.”</p>
<p>King</p>
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		<title>By: David Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an elder jew, i believe that - without a doubt - every where in the US we do have a scary power to force any anti-semitic hateful person like this nasty evil imam to do something like what he did; resignation. Instead of being defensive, i think we - the Cleveland jewish community - all should be so proud of our unhidden influence. The most important fact now is that Cleveland is more peaceful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an elder jew, i believe that &#8211; without a doubt &#8211; every where in the US we do have a scary power to force any anti-semitic hateful person like this nasty evil imam to do something like what he did; resignation. Instead of being defensive, i think we &#8211; the Cleveland jewish community &#8211; all should be so proud of our unhidden influence. The most important fact now is that Cleveland is more peaceful.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Miller Zimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Miller Zimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your last paragraph - I don&#039;t think the blogging forced him out - just as with Tim Brown in Wood County - these are assessments they make.  The info could come from anyone, anywhere, anytime (ditto what happened when I found that OSU letter re: the woman who had a job with the ODP).

However, I don&#039;t read the ADL as saying Alzaree blames Jews - no no.  I think he meant that his followers would, and beyond.

I don&#039;t really know - I&#039;m not familiar at all with the Muslim community here.

But I do understand, as I&#039;ve intimated before, that when people use the anti-Semite arguments, against anyone, the first reaction would naturally be to assume it&#039;s Jews pushing it.  I believe what the ADL is saying, we weren&#039;t the ones pushing it.

Whether they did or they didn&#039;t - I also am not privy to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your last paragraph &#8211; I don&#8217;t think the blogging forced him out &#8211; just as with Tim Brown in Wood County &#8211; these are assessments they make.  The info could come from anyone, anywhere, anytime (ditto what happened when I found that OSU letter re: the woman who had a job with the ODP).</p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t read the ADL as saying Alzaree blames Jews &#8211; no no.  I think he meant that his followers would, and beyond.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really know &#8211; I&#8217;m not familiar at all with the Muslim community here.</p>
<p>But I do understand, as I&#8217;ve intimated before, that when people use the anti-Semite arguments, against anyone, the first reaction would naturally be to assume it&#8217;s Jews pushing it.  I believe what the ADL is saying, we weren&#8217;t the ones pushing it.</p>
<p>Whether they did or they didn&#8217;t &#8211; I also am not privy to that.</p>
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