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		<title>By: Average Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Average Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Culture of Big Dogs -- it sucks!!</description>
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		<title>By: Second call on ODP Chair Chris Redferm: condemn this now &#124; Writes Like She Talks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Second call on ODP Chair Chris Redferm: condemn this now &#124; Writes Like She Talks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] act like you condemn hostile work environments in state offices run by Democrats we [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Marwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of women who work in the AG&#039;s office.  I wonder how they feel about this.  Poor morale has been an issue there for a while, as I understand it.  This Dann/Gutierrez/Jennings mess can&#039;t help.

People like Dann and this crew forget that what they&#039;re doing is supposed to be about PUBLIC service, not service to &quot;friends,&quot; as you point out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of women who work in the AG&#8217;s office.  I wonder how they feel about this.  Poor morale has been an issue there for a while, as I understand it.  This Dann/Gutierrez/Jennings mess can&#8217;t help.</p>
<p>People like Dann and this crew forget that what they&#8217;re doing is supposed to be about PUBLIC service, not service to &#8220;friends,&#8221; as you point out.</p>
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		<title>By: muley</title>
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		<dc:creator>muley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>......thanks for speaking up, Jill. It&#039;s blogs like WLST that get the word out, and the truth for that matter. Us minnions, the people who matter, need to hear the truth, not just the &quot;biased&quot; opinion passed on to us by MSM, who will only give us enough info for the sole reason of making a buck or two.  Woman are &quot;not&quot; the squid-shit of the world, and therefore should not be treated as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8230;thanks for speaking up, Jill. It&#8217;s blogs like WLST that get the word out, and the truth for that matter. Us minnions, the people who matter, need to hear the truth, not just the &#8220;biased&#8221; opinion passed on to us by MSM, who will only give us enough info for the sole reason of making a buck or two.  Woman are &#8220;not&#8221; the squid-shit of the world, and therefore should not be treated as such.</p>
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		<title>By: Bad American</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bad American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way to go Jill, I&#039;d hate to see you mad! You actually used the s-word here. Bravo. 

I find the Dann incident to be sadly typical. Of course Anthony Gutierrez is his &#039;friend&#039; and so are many other people both in and out of government. In fact, one might say that ANY government structure, Republican or Democrat, is a network of &#039;friends&#039; who share one common goal-propagation of their power and influence. People outside of their circle of &#039;friends&#039; (which can and often do cross political party boundaries) are truly outsiders even though they are stakeholders in the system. 

This is why I don&#039;t think Redfern will say anything. And it was the same in the GOP under Taft. It&#039;s a systemic problem with the political culture. 

And with Barrett it has turned from farce to tragedy. He should resign. He&#039;s a scumbag for blaming his son. I would rather die than accuse my son(s) of doing anything I was responsible for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to go Jill, I&#8217;d hate to see you mad! You actually used the s-word here. Bravo. </p>
<p>I find the Dann incident to be sadly typical. Of course Anthony Gutierrez is his &#8216;friend&#8217; and so are many other people both in and out of government. In fact, one might say that ANY government structure, Republican or Democrat, is a network of &#8216;friends&#8217; who share one common goal-propagation of their power and influence. People outside of their circle of &#8216;friends&#8217; (which can and often do cross political party boundaries) are truly outsiders even though they are stakeholders in the system. </p>
<p>This is why I don&#8217;t think Redfern will say anything. And it was the same in the GOP under Taft. It&#8217;s a systemic problem with the political culture. </p>
<p>And with Barrett it has turned from farce to tragedy. He should resign. He&#8217;s a scumbag for blaming his son. I would rather die than accuse my son(s) of doing anything I was responsible for.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Miller Zimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Miller Zimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Marwood. I appreciate it.  I am very sad and angry about it but there is no excuse for his conduct in regard to the investigation.  A clear line needed to be drawn - and he has not done that because of the involvement of his &quot;friend.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Marwood. I appreciate it.  I am very sad and angry about it but there is no excuse for his conduct in regard to the investigation.  A clear line needed to be drawn &#8211; and he has not done that because of the involvement of his &#8220;friend.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Marwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberal Democrat here who voted for Dann.

Thanks for writing about this.  The lack of professionalism on the part of the AG and the staff who are involved in this mess is astounding.  If Dann stays in office, there&#039;s no chance that the Dems will hold onto that seat, and he may well hurt the Democratic Presidential nominee&#039;s chances this fall.  We need a competent Democrat in that office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberal Democrat here who voted for Dann.</p>
<p>Thanks for writing about this.  The lack of professionalism on the part of the AG and the staff who are involved in this mess is astounding.  If Dann stays in office, there&#8217;s no chance that the Dems will hold onto that seat, and he may well hurt the Democratic Presidential nominee&#8217;s chances this fall.  We need a competent Democrat in that office.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Miller Zimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Miller Zimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve read this blog long enough - we love length here! :)

Pfft re: victim status of women. The opposite is what I want: declaration that women will lead, shall lead and are supported on their way to leading.

Redfern isn&#039;t doing that and if he is, it&#039;s not loud enough and if it&#039;s been loud, his message isn&#039;t getting through because people like Dann and Barrett are behaving the way they allegedly are behaving and that is with great disrespect to women.

Damn straight companies should condemn such acts - when there was plagiarism by the White House director of public liaison a couple of months ago, it was a farce that no one denounced it more.

This administration (Bush) has made it seem ok to say nothing.  That is wrong.

Blogs are about speaking up - if we don&#039;t speak up - how does anyone know? Behavior is one thing - but I don&#039;t see what&#039;s being done to show that women can, will and shall be respected by the ODP in the face of this other crap.

Do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve read this blog long enough &#8211; we love length here! <img src='http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Pfft re: victim status of women. The opposite is what I want: declaration that women will lead, shall lead and are supported on their way to leading.</p>
<p>Redfern isn&#8217;t doing that and if he is, it&#8217;s not loud enough and if it&#8217;s been loud, his message isn&#8217;t getting through because people like Dann and Barrett are behaving the way they allegedly are behaving and that is with great disrespect to women.</p>
<p>Damn straight companies should condemn such acts &#8211; when there was plagiarism by the White House director of public liaison a couple of months ago, it was a farce that no one denounced it more.</p>
<p>This administration (Bush) has made it seem ok to say nothing.  That is wrong.</p>
<p>Blogs are about speaking up &#8211; if we don&#8217;t speak up &#8211; how does anyone know? Behavior is one thing &#8211; but I don&#8217;t see what&#8217;s being done to show that women can, will and shall be respected by the ODP in the face of this other crap.</p>
<p>Do you?</p>
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		<title>By: WestEnder</title>
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		<dc:creator>WestEnder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the Rev. Wright and Clinton underling examples, I always differentiate &quot;people&quot; from &quot;media talking heads.&quot; The MSM is out of touch and just because they harp on something does not mean that&#039;s what people are thinking. Just wanted to make that point.

I still don&#039;t see why Redfern has to make the statement. This scandal has nothing to do with him, the party, or with politics. It just happened to occur in a government office. If it occurred at say, Pfizer, would we ask the head of the Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Assoc to make a statement? If it was a bank would we ask the Ohio Chamber of Commerce to make a statement?

Redfern is not responsible for the behavior of state officials or other Democrats for that matter. All he can do is what any other organizational leader can do: eliminate those who violate rules and laws.

Now if you&#039;re asking for that, that would be one thing. But to demand a statement that basically says &quot;We think these bad things are bad&quot; seems pointless. If the behavior is to be denounced it should be denounced by the public, not a party official who has nothing to do with the office where it occurred.

It&#039;s also worth considering why sexual harassment occurs. It&#039;s not because it hasn&#039;t been denounced. Racism doesn&#039;t occur because it hasn&#039;t been denounced. Discrimination doesn&#039;t occur because it hasn&#039;t been denounced. Murder doesn&#039;t occur because it isn&#039;t denounced. There will always be smart people who do stupid things. All we can do is try to prevent it and ensure consequences when it happens.

If the system works, sexual harassers would lose their credibility and job status and face legal consequences. That&#039;s a lot more than a statement can do.

I have a hunch that what you&#039;re really after is not an end to discrimination but rather an official acknowledgment of the victim status of women. Is there any of that in your feelings about this issue?

(pardon the length)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the Rev. Wright and Clinton underling examples, I always differentiate &#8220;people&#8221; from &#8220;media talking heads.&#8221; The MSM is out of touch and just because they harp on something does not mean that&#8217;s what people are thinking. Just wanted to make that point.</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t see why Redfern has to make the statement. This scandal has nothing to do with him, the party, or with politics. It just happened to occur in a government office. If it occurred at say, Pfizer, would we ask the head of the Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Assoc to make a statement? If it was a bank would we ask the Ohio Chamber of Commerce to make a statement?</p>
<p>Redfern is not responsible for the behavior of state officials or other Democrats for that matter. All he can do is what any other organizational leader can do: eliminate those who violate rules and laws.</p>
<p>Now if you&#8217;re asking for that, that would be one thing. But to demand a statement that basically says &#8220;We think these bad things are bad&#8221; seems pointless. If the behavior is to be denounced it should be denounced by the public, not a party official who has nothing to do with the office where it occurred.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also worth considering why sexual harassment occurs. It&#8217;s not because it hasn&#8217;t been denounced. Racism doesn&#8217;t occur because it hasn&#8217;t been denounced. Discrimination doesn&#8217;t occur because it hasn&#8217;t been denounced. Murder doesn&#8217;t occur because it isn&#8217;t denounced. There will always be smart people who do stupid things. All we can do is try to prevent it and ensure consequences when it happens.</p>
<p>If the system works, sexual harassers would lose their credibility and job status and face legal consequences. That&#8217;s a lot more than a statement can do.</p>
<p>I have a hunch that what you&#8217;re really after is not an end to discrimination but rather an official acknowledgment of the victim status of women. Is there any of that in your feelings about this issue?</p>
<p>(pardon the length)</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Miller Zimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Miller Zimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thought has crossed my mind as well - I just haven&#039;t had time and when the Matthew Barrett thing happened, I just thought - they are in the same area of the state, both are in the statehouse, how could Redfern not know? Maybe he didn&#039;t but seriously - some scolding at a minimum is in damn serious need.

Yeah - I&#039;d been holding off on Dann - wanting to write about that use of &quot;friend&quot; for a while -just no time til now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thought has crossed my mind as well &#8211; I just haven&#8217;t had time and when the Matthew Barrett thing happened, I just thought &#8211; they are in the same area of the state, both are in the statehouse, how could Redfern not know? Maybe he didn&#8217;t but seriously &#8211; some scolding at a minimum is in damn serious need.</p>
<p>Yeah &#8211; I&#8217;d been holding off on Dann &#8211; wanting to write about that use of &#8220;friend&#8221; for a while -just no time til now.</p>
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