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No – not Marc Dann’s.
Yours.
Ohio Republican Party Deputy Chairman and State Representative Kevin DeWine, appeared on the Ohio News Network’s show, Capitol Square, yesterday. The Youngstown Vindicator quotes him as having said the following, in relation to the scandal in the Ohio Attorney General’s office of Marc Dann:
“We’ll be linking this corrupt individual to each and every [Democratic] officeholder that will be on the ballot this fall, all the way from the president’s office down to the county coroner,” state Rep. Kevin De- Wine, of Fairborn, said yesterday. DeWine, who also is deputy chairman of the Ohio Republican Party, made the remark as a guest on the “Capitol Square” program on the Ohio News Network.
Kevin, Kevin, Kevin. I guess you should be glad that this incident didn’t happen during Lent, when maybe at least you would have included all or most of the the deadly sins as something you were going to give up until Easter.
But it’s no longer Lent and so, it seems, you are letting that sin of Wrath ride unbridled in the media again. I’m not sure why you think it’s appealing. I find it to be quite loathesome, but what do I know?
I mean, Kevin, don’t you realize that the people who do the best job of bringing themselves down are…the people who are bringing themselves down? God does not need your help in making them feel badly or suffer. Nor should we have you inflict upon us your wrath. You know, what goes around comes around and all that?
Look, if you don’t believe me, check out this quiz you can take to see just how full of wrath you are. Let us know your results – you can post them anonymously in the comments, or send them to me. Or let someone take the test for you – I don’t know you so I can’t begin to guess how you would answer the questions.
Let go, let joe, Kevin. Wrath is a really evil, well, sinful thing you know. Here’s more on the deadly sins from Wikipedia, if you prefer. Just remember – they aren’t called deadly for nuthin.
By Jill Miller Zimon at 10:52 am May 5th, 2008 in Campaigning, Crime, Culture, Democrats, Government, Law, Marc Dann, Media, Mental health, Ohio, Politics, Religion, Republicans, Scandal, Statehouse
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Sorry, Jill, I don’t see it that way. It’s as if you were buying into Dann’s reflection that he’s already been punished in his own mind.
And as for Kevin DeWine making that statement, that’s because ODP Chair Chris Redfern hasn’t provided any cover for the Dem candidates, since he failed to issue the statement you urged him to issue. He has not called for Dann’s resignation. Therefore, each Dem candidate will probably be asked what their individual position is on Marc Dann.
Chris Redfern is creating the opening for Kevin DeWine. Complain to Redfern.
We are going to disagree. Dann’s mistakes and failiings, no matter how enormous or small, are NO excuse for ANYONE else to behave badly – or with the wrath they way DeWine lets it fly. I really believe that, Daniel. It is a very, very very slippery slope – it’s fingerpointing and guilt by association of the absolutely worst kind.
Now – I agree and no one has tried to hold the feet to the fire more than me (though at least as much as me) when it comes to Redfern and silence and what image that projects. I’m not at liberty to say a lot because much of my conversation with the ODP about this topic was off the record.
But let me just say that the old boys network on ALL points across the political party spectrum needs a jolt and serious ruckus.
Don’t think I’m not thinking.
But again, Dann’s poor behavior – no matter how wretched anyone decides it is, is NEVER an excuse for anyone to say things like what DeWine has said.
I’m a little surprised – did you not read this post as saying that? Or do you really think it’s okay?
You are welcome to read the latest post on my own blog, but I don’t have a problem with what DeWine said.
For Dems on the ballot, I recommend that they immunize themselves against the onslaught by going on the record and demanding Dann’s resignation now. Obviously, Redfern, and especially Dann, aren’t helping any of the Dem candidates this fall by maintaining the status quo.
Otherwise, if Dann resigns, that mutes DeWine.
I am happy to read, always. I know how I feel about this. Dann’s bad behavior does not excuse DeWine’s. No can do.
Dann has the power to do something about this.
Daniel – seriously, doesn’t matter – DeWine’s behavior isn’t excused. He can control himself too. This blaming others for what someone is “made” to do? Nope. I never buy it.
What are you accusing DeWine of besides the statements he’s made? Has he been intimate with a subordinate at his workplace too?
If it’s just DeWine’s resolve to make this a campaign issue across the state, then I just don’t get why you’re furious with DeWine.
But if DeWine has engaged in more egregious behavior then Marc Dann, then please dish.
Daniel – Wrath is a deadly sin just like the others – lust included. There is no hierarchy. DeWine’s expressions explicit reflect vengence and a desire to make all people guilty by association. His decision to project such emotion and desire is his choice – no one can “make” him act that way. Not even Marc Dann’s misdeeds.
David Goodman wrote a perfect letter about what’s happened – do you hear him talking like DeWine? No.
I’m not in agreement about there being no hierarchy of sins.
I’m full of wrath, too.
But I think the point you are making is a stretch.
Of course Dem candidates will be gauged by their reaction to the Dem scandal. For example, Ted Celeste’s position doesn’t pass muster with me. It will be up to the Dem candidates to make their views on the matter public, so that they don’t get lumped in with Marc Dann. Too late for Ted Celeste, I’ve already lumped him in with Marc Dann.
Kevin DeWine will not be able to paint all Democrat candidates with the same broad brush, and I think that’s obvious to you. I don’t think Joyce Beatty has anything to fear from how she handled the Barrett and Dann matters. I don’t think Mary Jo Kilroy has anything to worry about. Those who stepped forward the quickest and the loudest will be able to deflect any criticism over the Dann mess.
Of course, Marc Dann would be a non-issue in the campaigns if he resigned immediately.
And it would have done wonders if Chris Redfern had expressed WRATH right out of the starting gate. The ORP stepped forward while the ODP blinked.
Daniel – I do not know the man. Maybe you know him. That quote above is extremely specific. So when you write, “Kevin DeWine will not be able to paint all Democrat candidates with the same broad brush, and I think that’s obvious to you” that doesn’t comport with the precise words.
Not only that, come on, Daniel. You know that he has said other things that project a no holds barred attitude re: taking down Democrats.
You know I have enormous respect for you, but I disagree with you. Call it what you want – but it’s a threat, intimidation and all done out of wrath – anger and vengence.
Trust me – I’m angry too. But I would never say I’m going to “be linking this corrupt individual to each and every [Democratic] officeholder that will be on the ballot this fall, all the way from the president’s office down to the county coroner” – the county coroner? In every county that has a democratic coroner? You are kidding me, right?
Seriously, Daniel – that’s maniacal.
OK. Now I see what you’re driving at. It was escaping me. It would seem funny to rant at a county coroner on the opposite side of the state as Youngstown, “You’re a DEMOCRAT! DANN’S a Democrat. You are just another incarnation of Marc Dann!” I think voters would think that’s silly.
I think if Dem candidates show any complacency about allowing Dann to linger in office, though, they do run a risk of being lumped in together with Marc Dann.
When I was a state rep candidate in 2002 and 2004, Democrat voters lumped me in with George W. Bush even though I voted for someone else in the 2000 primary, voted for a minor party candidate in the 2000 general election, and abstained from voting for Bush in the 2004 primary (though I did vote in the down-ticket races). The only vote I ever cast for Bush was in the general election of 2004 (even the minor party alternatives were worse, in my opinion), when my campaign was at its end. Somehow, guilt by association inexplicably linked my candidacy to Bush.
So, even if DeWine didn’t link Dem candidates with Dann, there’d be voters who’d make the link anyway, and the only one that can completely nullify this vulnerability is Dann, himself, by resigning now, and not later.
Daniel – I agree with you 100% here:
“I think if Dem candidates show any complacency about allowing Dann to linger in office, though, they do run a risk of being lumped in together with Marc Dann.”
and here:
“…there’d be voters who’d make the link anyway, and the only one that can completely nullify this vulnerability is Dann, himself, by resigning now, and not later.”
Those are reasonable statements. What DeWine said is over the top and posturing for the party and so on. It’s not reasonable and, in my opinion, wreaks of wrath. It’s hyperbole.
And yes – I’d call it out on my side too and I’ve tried to leverage a little. I actually feel that what’s happened today is a result of my pushing and of course that of many others.
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