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	<title>Comments on: Confronting big boys &amp; giving women what they want/need</title>
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		<title>By: Oengus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oengus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen it in the work world and often I have to leave the role playing is so annoying.  I cannot honestly say which gender is worse; they often feed into each other. In a stereotypical American behavior, I am the guy who wants to quit America, seriously the less interaction with others for me the better.  Well actually I like people, one on one I usually find some value in everyone, and the last thing I ever enjoy doing is attempting to change them.  

I notice that many offices have men in them, and often the person outside the office is female.  Sometimes I see a woman in the office and a woman outside the door.   

When I get bored, I apply for the administrative assistant position and always enjoy the awkward reactions.  People are programmed, is it an American phenomena, not really it is worse in some parts of the world.   

Dena hands out one big fat preconception, and is that good, does it say, hey look for it, it is all around you.  I am neutral and not Pavlov’s dog, I keep getting painful reminders of these roles that society hands out.   

I hate Drama, work is unavoidable, if you start talking about gender then it actually takes on the roles it get people all fired up and maybe changes occur, usually it is not anything mission critical though.  How can we make things better for woman or how can we do what we do better.   

I would love to hear a woman say I did not get the promotion because I am moody and indecisive. If we all know what is typical, we must have heard that one before, there is always that one-week out of the month when there is always hell to pay and not for any real obvious reason?  Maybe that is why the men go hunting or fishing for no reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen it in the work world and often I have to leave the role playing is so annoying.  I cannot honestly say which gender is worse; they often feed into each other. In a stereotypical American behavior, I am the guy who wants to quit America, seriously the less interaction with others for me the better.  Well actually I like people, one on one I usually find some value in everyone, and the last thing I ever enjoy doing is attempting to change them.  </p>
<p>I notice that many offices have men in them, and often the person outside the office is female.  Sometimes I see a woman in the office and a woman outside the door.   </p>
<p>When I get bored, I apply for the administrative assistant position and always enjoy the awkward reactions.  People are programmed, is it an American phenomena, not really it is worse in some parts of the world.   </p>
<p>Dena hands out one big fat preconception, and is that good, does it say, hey look for it, it is all around you.  I am neutral and not Pavlov’s dog, I keep getting painful reminders of these roles that society hands out.   </p>
<p>I hate Drama, work is unavoidable, if you start talking about gender then it actually takes on the roles it get people all fired up and maybe changes occur, usually it is not anything mission critical though.  How can we make things better for woman or how can we do what we do better.   </p>
<p>I would love to hear a woman say I did not get the promotion because I am moody and indecisive. If we all know what is typical, we must have heard that one before, there is always that one-week out of the month when there is always hell to pay and not for any real obvious reason?  Maybe that is why the men go hunting or fishing for no reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Miller Zimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Miller Zimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 23:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t disagree completely Oengus with some of your suggestions - I think they&#039;re part of the toolbox any person needs as they try to make their way.

But we should not ignore the fact that people higher up on the build with THEIR toolbox obstacles and that&#039;s not right or proper or acceptable - no matter that it happens.  That&#039;s where the double standard comes in, where systemic and historical discrimination and privilege play a role.

There&#039;s no QUESTION that resourcefulness and keeping your eye on the prize is VITAL to making it, for anyone.  But for climbing to places that previously didn&#039;t accommodate, welcome or otherwise embrace or invite or even witness certain types of people, for whatever reason?  Giving up and going elsewhere should not be the only choice. That&#039;s not American, to say the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree completely Oengus with some of your suggestions &#8211; I think they&#8217;re part of the toolbox any person needs as they try to make their way.</p>
<p>But we should not ignore the fact that people higher up on the build with THEIR toolbox obstacles and that&#8217;s not right or proper or acceptable &#8211; no matter that it happens.  That&#8217;s where the double standard comes in, where systemic and historical discrimination and privilege play a role.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no QUESTION that resourcefulness and keeping your eye on the prize is VITAL to making it, for anyone.  But for climbing to places that previously didn&#8217;t accommodate, welcome or otherwise embrace or invite or even witness certain types of people, for whatever reason?  Giving up and going elsewhere should not be the only choice. That&#8217;s not American, to say the least.</p>
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		<title>By: oengus</title>
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		<dc:creator>oengus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 23:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the higher up are theocrats steering the big ship it requires nothing radical.  That is in the old school, which is fading off, the new school is more delusional and very narcissistic.  If you are working your way up you often will have to dethrone someone it is never nice it is never easy.  You learn as you go, you attempt to open doors and if they are not opening, you take your knowledge and jump ship.  The object is contentment and compensation and is for the most part a state of mind. 

Every event occurs in a moment in time, your adaptability and resourceful is all you need to succeed, if not appreciated then find the place were you are.   

Moving up is less stressful when done laterally, that being seek a better position elsewhere, you absorb all that you can were you are, taking on all that you can.  Building familiarity, knowledge, and experience makes you marketable.  

Is the person that goes to work for the competition a traitor, no they are smart.  

Nothing wrong with being aggressive, but if you are brilliant only you know that, never ever show your cards. The person that goes to work for the competition is not the traitor the person that you confide in at work is.  Here is a good one when they ask you what is bothering you say; I have a hangnail on my toe and its bothering me.  They will snarl, maybe say; I did not need to know that.  If you tell them the boss is an ass, they all sit up and take the edge of their seat.  

I like the Fishing or Hunting comment, addressing stereotypes and throwing them around at the same time.  Is that a good way to make friend and win people over?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the higher up are theocrats steering the big ship it requires nothing radical.  That is in the old school, which is fading off, the new school is more delusional and very narcissistic.  If you are working your way up you often will have to dethrone someone it is never nice it is never easy.  You learn as you go, you attempt to open doors and if they are not opening, you take your knowledge and jump ship.  The object is contentment and compensation and is for the most part a state of mind. </p>
<p>Every event occurs in a moment in time, your adaptability and resourceful is all you need to succeed, if not appreciated then find the place were you are.   </p>
<p>Moving up is less stressful when done laterally, that being seek a better position elsewhere, you absorb all that you can were you are, taking on all that you can.  Building familiarity, knowledge, and experience makes you marketable.  </p>
<p>Is the person that goes to work for the competition a traitor, no they are smart.  </p>
<p>Nothing wrong with being aggressive, but if you are brilliant only you know that, never ever show your cards. The person that goes to work for the competition is not the traitor the person that you confide in at work is.  Here is a good one when they ask you what is bothering you say; I have a hangnail on my toe and its bothering me.  They will snarl, maybe say; I did not need to know that.  If you tell them the boss is an ass, they all sit up and take the edge of their seat.  </p>
<p>I like the Fishing or Hunting comment, addressing stereotypes and throwing them around at the same time.  Is that a good way to make friend and win people over?</p>
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