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And now, a few words from the “Hillary Clinton Forum” about WLST


What can I say? A fence-sitter gets hassled from everywhere.

Mom – consider yourself warned. The folks in that thread are extremely nasty to me in their posts. Needless to say, not a single one has e-mailed me to say anything about their upsetment.

From the Hillaryclintonforum.net:

-they aren’t sure if I’m a woman

-they are sure that I’m an Obama supporter

-they want to take me over their shoulders and burp me

-they think I’m “…someone just out of college with a marketing degree has been up late plotting strategies to win Clinton supporters over.”

-well, here, they should know other people think the same: My writing is a “rediculous piece of drivel. If they really believe that then they are seriously deluded.”

Yup. I’m lovin’ me some fence.

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By Jill Miller Zimon at 9:27 pm May 23rd, 2008 in Barack Obama, Campaigning, Foreign Affairs, Gender, Hillary Clinton, Politics, WH2008, Women 

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19 Responses to “And now, a few words from the “Hillary Clinton Forum” about WLST”

  1. 1 joyce on May 23rd, 2008 9:45 pm

    Perhaps you should show a little more respect for your elders and stop thinking we are that easily manipulated.

  2. 2 Jill Miller Zimon on May 23rd, 2008 9:51 pm

    Perhaps you should check out the literally 100s of comments from women who may or may not be older than me – I am 45 – before you accuse me of not having communicated with them, or them with me.

    I would urge you to read here and here for starters before attacking someone about whom you appear to know absolutely nothing.

    Don’t forget to check out Ellen Bravo’s ten reasons why women should vote for Obama if he is the nominee – I will assume, since you an elder, that you know who Ellen is.

  3. 3 Chuck Butcher on May 23rd, 2008 9:54 pm

    there’s a subset in both campaigns’ supporters that engage in messianic thinking and nothing will persuade them that the winner isn’t somehow a cheat and villain. What they will get up to in November is open to question, I leave them strictly alone.

    (feature that???)

  4. 4 Chuck Butcher on May 23rd, 2008 10:06 pm

    I sat a fence in the Dem OR Sen race until the ballots came out and then gave a very narrow endorsement complimentary to both leaders. The other guy won, I’m glad I can easily switch gears and support him. I got a lot of heat, I spent several months trying to tamp down the emotional crap from both sides supporters. I usually know where and why fairly early on, this was unusual.

    Now if you want to know why it was important to thousands of people and both campaigns’ managers I don’t have an answer since outside posts like that my readership is quite small. (technorati 45)

  5. 5 Chuck Butcher on May 23rd, 2008 10:13 pm

    oh shoot, I just noticed BlogNetNews & Blogburst on your side bar. I’ve spent most of the last year in BNN’s OR top 20 and the last month top 10 until this week – off the 20. Blogburst seems to pick me up with Reuters about every 2 weeks and then run it for a month, Chicago News Sun has had me about weekly, last week over 20K combined, this week a couple thou., looks like I’ll fall completely out next week. Reuters has been running one since mid-March.

  6. 6 P. Springer on May 24th, 2008 4:48 am

    Wow. The discussion boards on HillaryClintonForum.net have lapsed to a mob mentality.

    I wonder what they’ll be saying if Hillary manages to get the nomination and they find themselves in the position of having to court Obama voters. :)

    there’s a subset in both campaigns’ supporters that engage in messianic thinking

    Yeah, it seems unhealthy, if not outright dangerous, to get that invested a politician.

  7. 7 Chuck Butcher on May 24th, 2008 6:28 am

    You would think that the fact that we’re talking about politicians who have managed to thrive sufficiently in a deeply flawed system to be credible candidates for President would provoke some cynicism.

    If you’d like to see people really twist themselves up, go over to Taylor Marsh

  8. 8 oengus on May 24th, 2008 8:47 am

    I could never get into it, our political systems. It could be true that their most adamant supporters embarrass some candidates.

    I keep thinking something is broken, appointed leaders should be rated on a non-subjective methods. Metrics based on performance, but then we would have to have accountancy. It seems like we have people cooking the numbers up and then turning on the smoke machine and setting up some mirrors.

    A candidate being judged on such a simple set of criteria for so many is what gets me, calling for change, but not really understanding what those, changes could be.

    Change real change goes beyond something as simple as gender; it actually requires a change at the smallest denominator, which is one! Seriously, it requires changes at the municipal level if people begin to think out side of convention, I believe we are collectively thinking within the status quo. The federal government is a huge machine that runs on money and rhetoric, its actually bankrupting as we speak.

    A good municipal government could say, all we want is the money back, let us know if we break the constitution and if you do not give us the money back we will tell you that you are. A single party municipal system that is goal oriented, if a leader cannot improve the values that we should be able to define, then nothing changes.

    Regurgitation of the same old rhetoric changes nothing.

  9. 9 Jeff Hess on May 24th, 2008 9:33 am

    Shalom Jill,

    I just knew you’ve been trying to pass.

    B’shalom,

    Jeff

  10. 10 Have Coffee Will Write » Blog Archive » MY COMMENTS… on May 24th, 2008 9:34 am

    [...] 0933 And now, a few words from the “Hillary Clinton Forum” about WLST [...]

  11. 11 Jill Miller Zimon on May 24th, 2008 9:39 am

    Hi Chuck – great contributions even when they aren’t my experience – I really appreciate you taking the time. Doesn’t it make you want to come back to Ohio!? :) We’re so great here. :)

    Actually – I think Oregon is great. What did you think of that Williamette Week Obama portrait!? Did you comment on that in my post about it?

  12. 12 Jill Miller Zimon on May 24th, 2008 9:40 am

    Thank you, Jeff!

    OMG she said with eyes wide and mouth agape.

    Can you believe? I think picking a side is the easy way out – admitting that you actually do not like either candidate has been much much tougher!

    Thanks for the good humor.

  13. 13 Update: Hillary Clinton Forum says I'm not a woman, wants Ferrarro to read my post on air | Writes Like She Talks on May 24th, 2008 9:10 pm

    [...] who left a comment in my first post about the Hillary Clinton Forum, reported back to the Forum on what she found at WLST. Here’s her report: “All of your [...]

  14. 14 Chuck Butcher on May 24th, 2008 9:30 pm

    I saw a picture of it, I wasn’t overly impressed. I must have missed your post about WW. I saw Obama in Pendleton, OR a couple hours after is big crowd in Portland, 75K. My wife & I had VIP seating, about 12 feet from him. I was seated behind Bill Clinton about the same distance. Both of them are master politicians.

    Bill:
    http://chuckfor.blogspot.com/2008/05/bill-clinton-speaks-in-baker-city.html

    Barack:
    http://chuckfor.blogspot.com/2008/05/barack-obama-in-pendleton-oregon.html

    I get to be so close, including a meet and greet with Bill because I’m ever so important – hahahahaha. I hold enough offices in DPO and generally make enough of a nuisance of my self to make up part of the required VIP crowd.

    This one has run on Blogburst on Reuters repeatedly since March drawing 10-20K/week up until this week.

    http://chuckfor.blogspot.com/2008/03/senator-clinton-and-democratic-party.html

  15. 15 Jill Miller Zimon on May 24th, 2008 10:38 pm

    Chuck – you are a very varied person indeed. Wow.

    Here’s what the illustrator said about the drawing when I wrote him to find out.

  16. 16 Backpacking Dad on May 24th, 2008 11:39 pm

    Just. Wow.

    I sit the fence in the best way possible. I’m a registered member of the Green Party. And I don’t recycle. I’m not Green because I love the Earth. I just hate the two-party system.

  17. 17 Chuck Butcher on May 25th, 2008 12:31 am

    Thanks,
    I wanted to share a little. Good tracking on the WW illustration, I’m impressed.

  18. 18 Bad American on May 25th, 2008 11:33 am

    In the words of Richard Nixon, let me make this perfectly clear: After Hillary’s comments on the possibility of Obama’s assassination, I could care less what she or her increasingly unhinged supporters have to say. She has, in my mind, forever forfeited any respect or claim to the office of the Presidency. Jill, why no thread on her comments? :)

    (I know, I know, who needs the aggravation, right?)

  19. 19 Jill Miller Zimon on May 25th, 2008 12:51 pm

    Bad American – why no thread on the HRC RFK comment?

    I did reference it here in this post yesterday.

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