Comments on: What to know re: DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee Meeting on FL, MI delegates http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/05/30/what-to-know-re-dnc-rules-and-bylaws-committee-meeting-on-fl-mi-delegates/ "She is very powerful, so be nice to her." Former Chancellor, Ohio Board of Regents, Eric Fingerhut Sat, 04 Feb 2012 11:51:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Chuck Butcher http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/05/30/what-to-know-re-dnc-rules-and-bylaws-committee-meeting-on-fl-mi-delegates/comment-page-1/#comment-77419 Chuck Butcher Sat, 31 May 2008 22:09:34 +0000 http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/05/30/what-to-know-re-dnc-rules-and-bylaws-committee-meeting-on-fl-mi-delegates/#comment-77419 No State Party wants to turn down State Gov financing, they have to be ready to keep control of their elections. They are expected to, they are elected to, FL/MI were irresponsible. No State Party wants to turn down State Gov financing, they have to be ready to keep control of their elections. They are expected to, they are elected to, FL/MI were irresponsible.

]]> By: Chuck Butcher http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/05/30/what-to-know-re-dnc-rules-and-bylaws-committee-meeting-on-fl-mi-delegates/comment-page-1/#comment-77418 Chuck Butcher Sat, 31 May 2008 22:07:17 +0000 http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/05/30/what-to-know-re-dnc-rules-and-bylaws-committee-meeting-on-fl-mi-delegates/#comment-77418 Watch the film of the 'offer' it wasn't seriously offered and not voted for by the Dems. LOL whether you like caucuses or not, it was a legal remedy which existed, you deny that remedy was possible because you don't like it. Sorry I stated facts, you do not. It was not the legislature's call, it was the State Party's call to accept or decline the State financed vote, they enthusiastically went alone. You do not challenge or acknowledge who had control. This election is a DNC/State Party controlled issue - period. Watch the film of the ‘offer’ it wasn’t seriously offered and not voted for by the Dems. LOL

whether you like caucuses or not, it was a legal remedy which existed, you deny that remedy was possible because you don’t like it. Sorry I stated facts, you do not.

It was not the legislature’s call, it was the State Party’s call to accept or decline the State financed vote, they enthusiastically went alone. You do not challenge or acknowledge who had control. This election is a DNC/State Party controlled issue – period.

]]> By: Lynda O'Neal http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/05/30/what-to-know-re-dnc-rules-and-bylaws-committee-meeting-on-fl-mi-delegates/comment-page-1/#comment-77366 Lynda O'Neal Sat, 31 May 2008 17:24:01 +0000 http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/05/30/what-to-know-re-dnc-rules-and-bylaws-committee-meeting-on-fl-mi-delegates/#comment-77366 Dear Carole, The democratic members of the FL legislature offerred a counterproposal to bring the date into line with DNC rules. They were outvoted resoundingly by the Republican majority. (2:1 or so). Yes, we were pleased by the paper trail portion of this, but that was the only part. Regardless, no FL voter voted for any of these changes that got us here today. Also, I appreciate your sentiment as I am truly tired of my vote not counting. Dear Carole, The democratic members of the FL legislature offerred a counterproposal to bring the date into line with DNC rules. They were outvoted resoundingly by the Republican majority. (2:1 or so). Yes, we were pleased by the paper trail portion of this, but that was the only part. Regardless, no FL voter voted for any of these changes that got us here today. Also, I appreciate your sentiment as I am truly tired of my vote not counting.

]]> By: Carole Cohen http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/05/30/what-to-know-re-dnc-rules-and-bylaws-committee-meeting-on-fl-mi-delegates/comment-page-1/#comment-77356 Carole Cohen Sat, 31 May 2008 16:20:10 +0000 http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/05/30/what-to-know-re-dnc-rules-and-bylaws-committee-meeting-on-fl-mi-delegates/#comment-77356 The discussion, at least the part being televised, is candidate oriented by some on the rules committee who are supporting Clinton. Not that I am surprised. The discussion, at least the part being televised, is candidate oriented by some on the rules committee who are supporting Clinton. Not that I am surprised.

]]> By: Carole Cohen http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/05/30/what-to-know-re-dnc-rules-and-bylaws-committee-meeting-on-fl-mi-delegates/comment-page-1/#comment-77333 Carole Cohen Sat, 31 May 2008 15:32:30 +0000 http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/05/30/what-to-know-re-dnc-rules-and-bylaws-committee-meeting-on-fl-mi-delegates/#comment-77333 I'm listening to this on line, live, at Wash Post site; my perception of what they have explained (The Florida Dems who are speaking) is that they voted for the change because it was a rider on a bill that allowed a paper trail on FL voting. In this day and age (if this is true) of instant media accessibility, it still sounds to me like they dropped the ball and now they want it corrected? Am I right or wrong? Let me say it turns my stomach to think that people vote and their votes don't count. However, I'm having trouble seeing this as strictly a Republican plot - why didn't the Dems change the bill? Just asking I’m listening to this on line, live, at Wash Post site; my perception of what they have explained (The Florida Dems who are speaking) is that they voted for the change because it was a rider on a bill that allowed a paper trail on FL voting. In this day and age (if this is true) of instant media accessibility, it still sounds to me like they dropped the ball and now they want it corrected? Am I right or wrong?

Let me say it turns my stomach to think that people vote and their votes don’t count. However, I’m having trouble seeing this as strictly a Republican plot – why didn’t the Dems change the bill? Just asking

]]> By: Lynda O'Neal http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/05/30/what-to-know-re-dnc-rules-and-bylaws-committee-meeting-on-fl-mi-delegates/comment-page-1/#comment-77287 Lynda O'Neal Sat, 31 May 2008 11:17:59 +0000 http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/05/30/what-to-know-re-dnc-rules-and-bylaws-committee-meeting-on-fl-mi-delegates/#comment-77287 Dear Chuck , I'm fairly certain that Democrats in the FL state house offered a counterproposal which was voted down by the majority party. Secondly, the state party did turn down the caucus idea and I'm not certain that I like the idea of a caucus anyway. What about people who are working and can't come to that specific spot at the specific time? Thirdly, the state had no intention of financing another primary and that was made abundantly clear by the governer. Fourth, I'm unsurprised that Republicans outnumbered Democrats in the primary as it is a Republican controlled state. In Florida, you will find Democrats in Broward, Palm Beach, some in Miami, and then in the Gainesville and Tallahassee area. There are a fairly large number of Democrats in the Panhandle area and they tend to be blue dogs. Now we had made some registration gains and were in a position to challenge some seats, and you will notice my tense. I was unaware that FL had not applied for a variance, but if you say that they would not have received it, that perhaps will explain the lapse. I then have to wonder by what virtue we know that some will be granted and others not. I do not challenge your knowledge of Party machinery, but I would like a little credit for living here and seeing what goes on around me, Chuck. Further, what I said is that whatever political crimes were committed, none were courtesy of the FL rank and file Democratic voter. Dear Chuck , I’m fairly certain that Democrats in the FL state house offered a counterproposal which was voted down by the majority party. Secondly, the state party did turn down the caucus idea and I’m not certain that I like the idea of a caucus anyway. What about people who are working and can’t come to that specific spot at the specific time? Thirdly, the state had no intention of financing another primary and that was made abundantly clear by the governer. Fourth, I’m unsurprised that Republicans outnumbered Democrats in the primary as it is a Republican controlled state. In Florida, you will find Democrats in Broward, Palm Beach, some in Miami, and then in the Gainesville and Tallahassee area. There are a fairly large number of Democrats in the Panhandle area and they tend to be blue dogs. Now we had made some registration gains and were in a position to challenge some seats, and you will notice my tense. I was unaware that FL had not applied for a variance, but if you say that they would not have received it, that perhaps will explain the lapse. I then have to wonder by what virtue we know that some will be granted and others not. I do not challenge your knowledge of Party machinery, but I would like a little credit for living here and seeing what goes on around me, Chuck. Further, what I said is that whatever political crimes were committed, none were courtesy of the FL rank and file Democratic voter.

]]> By: Chuck Butcher http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/05/30/what-to-know-re-dnc-rules-and-bylaws-committee-meeting-on-fl-mi-delegates/comment-page-1/#comment-77261 Chuck Butcher Sat, 31 May 2008 08:05:07 +0000 http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/05/30/what-to-know-re-dnc-rules-and-bylaws-committee-meeting-on-fl-mi-delegates/#comment-77261 OH-BNN #2? Congrtulation WLST! OH-BNN #2? Congrtulation WLST!

]]> By: Chuck Butcher http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/05/30/what-to-know-re-dnc-rules-and-bylaws-committee-meeting-on-fl-mi-delegates/comment-page-1/#comment-77260 Chuck Butcher Sat, 31 May 2008 08:04:21 +0000 http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/05/30/what-to-know-re-dnc-rules-and-bylaws-committee-meeting-on-fl-mi-delegates/#comment-77260 BTW, SC & NV applied for variance and received it, FL&MI did neither, knowing they wouldn't receive it. 5 states had Republican voters outnumber Democrats in primaries, UT - Romney, AZ - McCain, AK - Huckabee & FL/MI So much for Democrats turned out for illegimate votes in MI/FL. spin just won't do, the elections were not "open and fair" despite any campaign spin. BTW, SC & NV applied for variance and received it, FL&MI did neither, knowing they wouldn’t receive it.

5 states had Republican voters outnumber Democrats in primaries, UT – Romney, AZ – McCain, AK – Huckabee & FL/MI
So much for Democrats turned out for illegimate votes in MI/FL.

spin just won’t do, the elections were not “open and fair” despite any campaign spin.

]]> By: Chuck Butcher http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/05/30/what-to-know-re-dnc-rules-and-bylaws-committee-meeting-on-fl-mi-delegates/comment-page-1/#comment-77259 Chuck Butcher Sat, 31 May 2008 07:58:53 +0000 http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/05/30/what-to-know-re-dnc-rules-and-bylaws-committee-meeting-on-fl-mi-delegates/#comment-77259 It pays to know both Party rules and Federal Law before you start handing out false information. 1)within DNC rules the State Party controls the election, 100% 2)the State of "x" can offer financing for a general vote primary and set conditions 3)the State Party is free to refuse the offer Republicans & Dems in both legislatures voted for the change, the Govs signed, and the State Parties not only willingly went along but actively opposed DNC The 50% penalty is the minimum and is applied where an actual effort was made to be in compliance The additional penalty was levied for egregious conduct, absolutely true. Either State Party could have self-financed caucuses at any time, meeting DNC requirements and staying within the letter of the State laws which prohibit private financed efforts from State apparatus. You have been repeatedly lied to. The information is freely available. The only affordable method was caucuses which Hillary opposed because she's done poorly in them. Hillary effectively stopped FL & MI from moving into compliance by promising what she did not have the power to do - ie count the votes. I do not care what candidate you support, minus the speculation about Hillary's motives the matter is fact. If you are willing to plow through the documentation you will find I am right. I have reason to know this stuff. Rules & Bylaws Committee members choose what is possibly the most boring Committee in the Party and thinking they will not follow the rules is not realistic. They are there because (for the most part) they are absolute sticklers for procedure and for not being over-ruled. It should be boring as watching paint dry other than a couple moments. Flame on, ignorance is bliss It pays to know both Party rules and Federal Law before you start handing out false information.
1)within DNC rules the State Party controls the election, 100%
2)the State of “x” can offer financing for a general vote primary and set conditions
3)the State Party is free to refuse the offer

Republicans & Dems in both legislatures voted for the change, the Govs signed, and the State Parties not only willingly went along but actively opposed DNC

The 50% penalty is the minimum and is applied where an actual effort was made to be in compliance
The additional penalty was levied for egregious conduct, absolutely true.
Either State Party could have self-financed caucuses at any time, meeting DNC requirements and staying within the letter of the State laws which prohibit private financed efforts from State apparatus.

You have been repeatedly lied to. The information is freely available. The only affordable method was caucuses which Hillary opposed because she’s done poorly in them. Hillary effectively stopped FL & MI from moving into compliance by promising what she did not have the power to do – ie count the votes.

I do not care what candidate you support, minus the speculation about Hillary’s motives the matter is fact. If you are willing to plow through the documentation you will find I am right. I have reason to know this stuff.

Rules & Bylaws Committee members choose what is possibly the most boring Committee in the Party and thinking they will not follow the rules is not realistic. They are there because (for the most part) they are absolute sticklers for procedure and for not being over-ruled. It should be boring as watching paint dry other than a couple moments.

Flame on, ignorance is bliss

]]> By: Lynda O\\\'Neal http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/05/30/what-to-know-re-dnc-rules-and-bylaws-committee-meeting-on-fl-mi-delegates/comment-page-1/#comment-77188 Lynda O\\\'Neal Sat, 31 May 2008 00:31:35 +0000 http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/05/30/what-to-know-re-dnc-rules-and-bylaws-committee-meeting-on-fl-mi-delegates/#comment-77188 And therein lies the rub. I'm fairly certain that no Democratic voter in FL did anything other than show up to the designated polling place at the date and time set by law and cast their vote. This is why we are somewhat bewildered by the "they broke the rules and must pay" theme afoot here. One, the rules say that the penalty is loss of half the votes unless the safe haven exception (whatever the hell that is) applies. The rules further say that any candidate who campaigns or advertises in the state forfits completely. Therefore, if the rules are followed, half votes for Clinton and none for Obama (who advertised on cable stations) should apply. And therein lies the rub. I’m fairly certain that no Democratic voter in FL did anything other than show up to the designated polling place at the date and time set by law and cast their vote. This is why we are somewhat bewildered by the “they broke the rules and must pay” theme afoot here. One, the rules say that the penalty is loss of half the votes unless the safe haven exception (whatever the hell that is) applies. The rules further say that any candidate who campaigns or advertises in the state forfits completely. Therefore, if the rules are followed, half votes for Clinton and none for Obama (who advertised on cable stations) should apply.

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