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	<title>Comments on: Trader Joe&#8217;s, Two-Buck Chuck and the death of Maria Jimenez</title>
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	<description>&#34;She is very powerful, so be nice to her.&#34; Chancellor, Ohio Board of Regents, Eric Fingerhut</description>
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		<title>By: kegbot1</title>
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		<dc:creator>kegbot1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bite me fascist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bite me fascist.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 23:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a Saturday Night Life sketch, you pud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a Saturday Night Life sketch, you pud.</p>
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		<title>By: kegbot1</title>
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		<dc:creator>kegbot1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a trip to the principal for me. . . 

:::: shuffles his feet looking down :::::

I&#039;m sawry Mrs. Zimon. I wuz a very bad boy. . . I will twy to be bedder. . . 

But. . .

I&#039;m usually good at Yiddish and I recognize every word in your post except &quot;genecktagazoidt.&quot;

What does THAT mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a trip to the principal for me. . . </p>
<p>:::: shuffles his feet looking down :::::</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sawry Mrs. Zimon. I wuz a very bad boy. . . I will twy to be bedder. . . </p>
<p>But. . .</p>
<p>I&#8217;m usually good at Yiddish and I recognize every word in your post except &#8220;genecktagazoidt.&#8221;</p>
<p>What does THAT mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Butcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Butcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 04:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to help, Eric.  Feel free to appropriate as merited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to help, Eric.  Feel free to appropriate as merited.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 04:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...or you could go to any thread at Plunderbund and berate Naug Daug all you want.  We consider it sport over there.  

This was worth the price of admission of this thread all together:  &quot;Are you completely in the tank with stupid?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;or you could go to any thread at Plunderbund and berate Naug Daug all you want.  We consider it sport over there.  </p>
<p>This was worth the price of admission of this thread all together:  &#8220;Are you completely in the tank with stupid?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Miller Zimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Miller Zimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oy, gentlemen - you are giving me shpilkis in my genecktagazoidt! I&#039;m getting verklempt.

Please - if you want to abuse Matt, can you just email him or go to his blog and do it there? :)

This has been a public service announcement in hackneyed Yiddish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy, gentlemen &#8211; you are giving me shpilkis in my genecktagazoidt! I&#8217;m getting verklempt.</p>
<p>Please &#8211; if you want to abuse Matt, can you just email him or go to his blog and do it there? <img src='http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>This has been a public service announcement in hackneyed Yiddish.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Butcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Butcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;better smaller governments, lower taxes, fewer government inspectors, et cetera the better off everyone in that country is.&quot;

I strongly suggest you hop into your way back machine and live in the 1890s where you&#039;d be at home.

You&#039;ve got the bit in your teeth now, so let&#039;s have the US produce China products to poison us, screw education - kids work cheap, we can have rivers on fire again and paint jobs disolving on cars from the air we breath, if you don&#039;t starve you&#039;re over-paid, you really should expect to leave limbs on the factory floor...

For farm wages try this:
http://www.therationalradical.com/documents/farm_workers.htm

If you&#039;re actually interested in it there are a lot of analysis out there with numbers that vary and I used higher ones to play fair.  You&#039;re not interested or you&#039;d know that labor costs are generally one of the lowest percentage contributors to costs of consumer goods.  What gets labor whacked is that it is the most subject to being lowered.

But, then you already knew all this.  Any study of markets shows this with a few exceptions like the Big 3 pension &amp; health costs killing them vs everybody else.  Your agenda is clear.

Your level of ass - ness makes me beg you to please not include me in prayers to your god of greed.  I&#039;m perfectly happy that any god you pray to damn me, I&#039;ll take my company as a benefit of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;better smaller governments, lower taxes, fewer government inspectors, et cetera the better off everyone in that country is.&#8221;</p>
<p>I strongly suggest you hop into your way back machine and live in the 1890s where you&#8217;d be at home.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got the bit in your teeth now, so let&#8217;s have the US produce China products to poison us, screw education &#8211; kids work cheap, we can have rivers on fire again and paint jobs disolving on cars from the air we breath, if you don&#8217;t starve you&#8217;re over-paid, you really should expect to leave limbs on the factory floor&#8230;</p>
<p>For farm wages try this:<br />
<a href="http://www.therationalradical.com/documents/farm_workers.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.therationalradical.com/documents/farm_workers.htm</a></p>
<p>If you&#8217;re actually interested in it there are a lot of analysis out there with numbers that vary and I used higher ones to play fair.  You&#8217;re not interested or you&#8217;d know that labor costs are generally one of the lowest percentage contributors to costs of consumer goods.  What gets labor whacked is that it is the most subject to being lowered.</p>
<p>But, then you already knew all this.  Any study of markets shows this with a few exceptions like the Big 3 pension &amp; health costs killing them vs everybody else.  Your agenda is clear.</p>
<p>Your level of ass &#8211; ness makes me beg you to please not include me in prayers to your god of greed.  I&#8217;m perfectly happy that any god you pray to damn me, I&#8217;ll take my company as a benefit of it.</p>
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		<title>By: kegbot1</title>
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		<dc:creator>kegbot1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Businesses are amoral, and must put a return to their shareholders above all else.

and

You are an angry, bitter old man. I will pray for you.

For Matt N. 

You are a fascist. You and your kind represent a kind of thinking that is destroying this planet and enslaving most of the human race. Profits above people - never! I will not pray for you but hope you and your kind rot in hell, if it exists, for your philosophy that dehumanizes all of us for the benefit of a few. People like you make me proud to be a socialist.

I hope you see the face of Maria in your dreams you heartless, evil bastard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Businesses are amoral, and must put a return to their shareholders above all else.</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>You are an angry, bitter old man. I will pray for you.</p>
<p>For Matt N. </p>
<p>You are a fascist. You and your kind represent a kind of thinking that is destroying this planet and enslaving most of the human race. Profits above people &#8211; never! I will not pray for you but hope you and your kind rot in hell, if it exists, for your philosophy that dehumanizes all of us for the benefit of a few. People like you make me proud to be a socialist.</p>
<p>I hope you see the face of Maria in your dreams you heartless, evil bastard.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You completely avoided defending your 8-15% comment, typical for a leftist keyboard warrior.

That book explains universal principles of how economic growth and prosperity happen. Instead of output simply being a factor of input, the most important and frequently ignored factor is that of the quality of institutions. And the case studies show that as countries have better smaller governments, lower taxes, fewer government inspectors, et cetera the better off everyone in that country is. Those principles apply in America, in the poorest parts of Africa, and everywhere else.

You are an angry, bitter old man. I will pray for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You completely avoided defending your 8-15% comment, typical for a leftist keyboard warrior.</p>
<p>That book explains universal principles of how economic growth and prosperity happen. Instead of output simply being a factor of input, the most important and frequently ignored factor is that of the quality of institutions. And the case studies show that as countries have better smaller governments, lower taxes, fewer government inspectors, et cetera the better off everyone in that country is. Those principles apply in America, in the poorest parts of Africa, and everywhere else.</p>
<p>You are an angry, bitter old man. I will pray for you.</p>
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		<title>By: oengus</title>
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		<dc:creator>oengus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s everyone responsibility to know the law, if a retailer is in knowledge that a supplier is breaking the law then they are complicit  if they continue to do business with them.  I think this instance needs further investigation, I am not particularly fond of retailers or any business using might to influence.  Using might to influence can go wrong, it can create undue influence, stick to the law I believe. 

The individual had the right to take a break, she had the right to stop and drink water.  We do not know what happened, we do not know if this vineyard had one instance or not, what we do know is that the individual was only 17 and that working 9.5 hr shifts is not legal or a minor, so it has not to do with might but the vendor acknowledging that and suspending their relationship until they can be sure that all individuals working at the vineyard are within the legal boundaries. 

When a migrant worker is contracted they actually sign a contract, where is this individuals?  It can not exist because it is in violation of the law.  In California the contract must state the right of the worker and them signing it is acknowledging the conditions of employment.  That is a big red flag if the vineyard is employing minors and not abiding by the law in doing so.   

Believe it or not if you have a vineyard and it harvest certain amount of grapes that requires a certain amount of labor and all of that labor is required by law to be documented.  
http://www.dol.gov/compliance/guide/mspa.htm

What is sad is that a person has to die to even get anyone’s attention, what we do not know are all the facts.   For instance read this article from UC of Berkley and stop thinking of migrant workers as slaves, they shop for work competitively and can earn much more for the hard work they do then you think.  

http://www.cnr.berkeley.edu/ucce50/ag-labor/7article/article22.htm

Often the work is paid by piece, the harder and faster you work the more you can make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s everyone responsibility to know the law, if a retailer is in knowledge that a supplier is breaking the law then they are complicit  if they continue to do business with them.  I think this instance needs further investigation, I am not particularly fond of retailers or any business using might to influence.  Using might to influence can go wrong, it can create undue influence, stick to the law I believe. </p>
<p>The individual had the right to take a break, she had the right to stop and drink water.  We do not know what happened, we do not know if this vineyard had one instance or not, what we do know is that the individual was only 17 and that working 9.5 hr shifts is not legal or a minor, so it has not to do with might but the vendor acknowledging that and suspending their relationship until they can be sure that all individuals working at the vineyard are within the legal boundaries. </p>
<p>When a migrant worker is contracted they actually sign a contract, where is this individuals?  It can not exist because it is in violation of the law.  In California the contract must state the right of the worker and them signing it is acknowledging the conditions of employment.  That is a big red flag if the vineyard is employing minors and not abiding by the law in doing so.   </p>
<p>Believe it or not if you have a vineyard and it harvest certain amount of grapes that requires a certain amount of labor and all of that labor is required by law to be documented.<br />
<a href="http://www.dol.gov/compliance/guide/mspa.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.dol.gov/compliance/guide/mspa.htm</a></p>
<p>What is sad is that a person has to die to even get anyone’s attention, what we do not know are all the facts.   For instance read this article from UC of Berkley and stop thinking of migrant workers as slaves, they shop for work competitively and can earn much more for the hard work they do then you think.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnr.berkeley.edu/ucce50/ag-labor/7article/article22.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnr.berkeley.edu/ucce50/ag-labor/7article/article22.htm</a></p>
<p>Often the work is paid by piece, the harder and faster you work the more you can make.</p>
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