Comments on: AP headline: “Police: Man shot churchgoers over liberal views”

By: joe

joe — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:19:39 +0000

about the cimperman fire: do you think he was tipped off at the upcoming fbi raid and had some boxes of records he needed to be burned before their arrival. could be……
i did find it kind of strange that the mans house was engulfed in a blazing fire and he was smiling and waving at the camera. seems like strange behavior to me. what do you think jill? i have a suggestion for some alternative behavior.

By: joe

joe — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:14:19 +0000

i would have protected you and ushered you to safety. he should have started at UCC in Chicago. we could lose rev pfegler and rev wright and not many would miss them. america’s shotgun-wielding hunters have come home to ROOST!

By: Jill Miller Zimon

Jill Miller Zimon — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:12:23 +0000

I find Broder and Will’s arguments reasonable more often than not, that’s why I will read them, because they use facts and good logic and I can still disagree with their support for those reasons and logic. If you don’t use those elements as the basis of an argument, you’ve lost me from the beginning. Tucker Carlson is not nearly as solid as those two and Kevin O’Brien is far closer to Tucker than he is to Will or Broder, much as he might think otherwise. His attacks are snarky, personal and often too over the top to be taken as serious methods of persuasion.

Will and Broder in particular wants to persuade you – they don’t care about winning a battle or the war and they focus on that.

Most others just want to spew and express their frustration that in a democracy you can’t have it your way all the time about everything. Of course complaining is fine and activism is good to keep the tug of war making sure we’re in a place where we don’t devolve into Zimbabwe or Sudan, God forbid.

But to have everything be one way?

Ick.

By: Jill Miller Zimon

Jill Miller Zimon — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:07:27 +0000

Village Green – you know, we talk about or say someone must be “crazy” to do something and we say it in a colloquial way, but there is just nothing colloquial about a person doing what you describe here, “killing people who subscribe to a philosophy of reaching out to the poor working class…”

By: PoliticalOutcast

PoliticalOutcast — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:27:04 +0000

Of course that stuff is off the charts, but that is those are considered the extreme. I could also refer you to conservatives like David Broder, George Will, and Tucker Carlson – folks I’m sure you don’t agree with politically but make rational arguments without being being inflammatory.

By: Village Green

Village Green — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:12:43 +0000

I picture this guy listening all the time to Rush and the rest of the non-stop liberal haters. This crazed man lost his job. His liberal wife divorced him years ago, so he’s all about shooting up some of those damn femi-nazi gay-loving unitarians. Nuts, of course. But certainly not helped any by the rhetoric of right wing radio. No it doesn’t make sense — killing people who subscribe to a philosophy of reaching out to the poor working class, but progressives still allow ourselves to be defined by the Rushes of the world.

By: Jill Miller Zimon

Jill Miller Zimon — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:31:32 +0000

And Gordon – is there a link you meant to leave?

By: Jill Miller Zimon

Jill Miller Zimon — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:30:55 +0000

Gordon – you wrote, “You conveniently missed this article which addresses this guy’s hatred for Christians.

Using your own logic, didn’t he just shoot his own?”

Are you familiar with the UU?

By: Gordon

Gordon — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:28:22 +0000

You conveniently missed this article which addresses this guy’s hatred for Christians.

Using your own logic, didn’t he just shoot his own?

But then again, using your logic, it’s the Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld trio that causes this shootings in the first place.

By: Jill Miller Zimon

Jill Miller Zimon — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:25:55 +0000

And actually – I want to add one more incident – Joe Cimperman’s house being set afire last night.

I didn’t approve of some of his tactics in the primary race against Dennis Kucinich, but deliberately setting a fire to his home (that link mentions the possibility and another article I read said that they’d found an accelerant on the premises)?

Seriously – again, what is wrong with people?