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Not to be missed. Not a bad photo either.
An excerpt:
Is it hard to come together with people you have sharp disagreements with? When it comes to uniting for the American people, that’s what we do. That is what we have always done. Democrats are famous for their ability to come together.
I never thought of you as such a booster. I am not a booster by any means. But Barack Obama is our candidate. We have to be practical about this.
You’ve met with opposition from Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats for continuing to push for the impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Cheney. The process of democracy is a slow process, and it’s important that I do what I know to be the right thing.
But why bother with impeachment when Bush is on his way out of Washington anyhow? This president is capable of taking us into war, in October, on the eve of an election, to try to change the outcome of the election. We need to keep the ability to impeach at the ready in the event that this president continues to exercise a wanton approach toward the use of power, particularly the war power. The events in Georgia are a premonition.
A premonition of what? A premonition of an attack on Iran. When Georgia moves against South Ossetia as the Olympics are starting, the Bush administration begins its own Olympics — the war Olympics.
Are you saying the Bush administration is likely to declare war soon just to help Republican candidates pick up some votes? Well, you know, they increased the funding to Georgia a while back for military purposes.
You think President Saakashvili of Georgia was encouraged, possibly by the American government, to cry victim? Look. Saakashvili had an American lobbyist who is now part of the McCain campaign, and I am sure he was given advice. The idea of striking during the Olympics would have to come out of Madison Avenue. We have to be able to see through this. And the one thing I have shown an ability to do is to cut through the b.s.
As I’ve written before, if you didn’t know it was Dennis, you would love what he is saying even more.
By Jill Miller Zimon at 9:20 am August 24th, 2008 in Cleveland+, Dennis Kucinich, Media
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I lend as much credibility to 9/11 “truthers” about our own government conspiring to knock down the WTC, the Pentagon, and potentially, the White House as I do to theories that American sources pulled the strings of Saakashvili to launch an attack on South Ossetia.
I think I’d like to hear Kucinich’s views on Russia elaborated upon in detail. I think it would raise eyebrows (at least mine).
This was my favorite quote in that interview:
(In reference to a sighting of an unidentified object)Interviewer: “What did it look like? ”
DK: “Around Washington, the truth is an unidentified flying object.”
Hah! I love that!
All he cares about is media attention. He does nothing for our district. Unless of course you count chasing after the microphones, video cameras, and tape recorders that are in the hands of the media. What could Dennis Kucinich do for a living if not for politics?
Damn that man has balls. Were we only to have another 200 or so like him in Congress. We might get our country back from the fascists and their enablers.
DJW - people like you will always believe your country could never do such a thing against any and all evidence. Be sure you leave cookies out for Santa too, ok?
I actually do think BushCo and McCain made Georgia think it was more important than it is/was. I don’t think they sic’ed ‘em on Russia, at least I hope nobody was that stupid on “our” side. Stupid does qualify as an adjective regarding poking “the Bear,” something BushCo has engaged in for several years now.
Chuck,
I like the way you think. For me, I stopped looking at this country through rose colored glasses a long time ago. I would put nothing past this government either Republican or Democrat. The USA should advertise itself as ‘false flags R us.’ Tonkin Gulf anyone? I believe nothing I hear and less what I see from our ‘official’ spokespeople. Wrap it in the flag and sell it to the clueless.
Here’s more on the police’s use of agent provocateurs: http://www.prisonplanet.com/will-authorities-stage-riots-in-denver.html
Bad American, maybe I’m gullible enough to believe America wouldn’t do such things, but at least I’m not gullible enough to buy into the propaganda that the Russians are selling. if the cops in Orlando think Casey Anthony is a pathological liar, well, Casey Anthony’s got nothing on Vladimir Putin. Remember that there’s no freedom of the press in Moscow.
This government has gotten into a bad habit of only occassionally telling its citizens the truth. Whether Russia tells the truth o not isn’t that much of an issue, what our government does IS an issue.
BushCo has been poking at the Bear for several years now, that is not a real smart policy. That country is xenophobic and claustrophobic regarding its borders, has been since before the Red Revolution. It is not new or strange behavior on their part, it is our job to see to it that we act like we have some sense.
Dan, you may think you’re reacting in some patriotic fashion; I’ll tell you plainly, when this government lies or acts stupidly backing it is not patriotic. It is enabling of something foreign to the American spirit and you spit on the flag doing it. If you think that is harsh, I’ve got less polite descriptions of people who use the Constitution as toilet paper and get people killed in foreign adventures without justification.
I expect political framing from any government, I do not expect bald faced lying from ours and won’t accept it quietly.
“BushCo has been poking at the Bear for several years now . . .”
” . . . it is our job to see to it that we act like we have some sense.”
Chuck Butcher, are you saying that the USA is responsible for the actions of the Russians? What responsibility, then, do the Russians bear for their actions? None?
I wasn’t scheming to sound patriotic, but if you thought it sounded patriotic, then, thank you for the nice compliment. In reality, though, I’m just saying that the Russian narrative is not the least credible to me.
I think the Russians have been far more menacing to the international community than we have been owning up to. It’s my hunch that Russia has been both the arsenal and the enabler for the threats we and our allies face in the Middle East. Who is sheltering Iran? Russia. Who is brokering arms deals with Syria? Russia. I believe that’s just the tip of the iceberg. If I were Israel, I’d be deeply disturbed at the new revelations coming to light with ever more frequency concerning Russia’s involvement with rogue nations in the region.
And for those who think we dare not stand with Georgia in their time of need because we must rely on Russia to secure the peace and nuclear non-proliferation in Iran and North Korea, I would say that you’ve played into Russia’s hands. The progress we’ve made in North Korea has been mostly due to a more hardline stance that South Korea has recently adopted. Russia is not essential to North Korea. Iran needs to see that its fate, if it continues to pursue a nuclear path, either puts it in close orbit to a weak Russia, too weak to shelter Iran, or puts it in close orbit to a strong Russia, who will relegate Iran to the role of subservient satellite. The former will not do enough for Iran’s security, and the latter would rob Iran’s rulers of its nation’s right of self-determination. Neither of those would be in the best domestic interests of Iran, let alone foreign interests. Given the choice between strengthening Russia’s hand and exposing it as weak, I prefer exposing Russia as weak.
Poking the Bear to no point is stupid. What sense is there in an ABM system that hasn’t worked reliably and is aimed at countries without missles that can reach the system? I wonder why the Russians don’t like it.
Stand with Georgia? Have you paid any attention to the politics of their President? Have you paid any attention to how the Georgia/S Ossetia thing started? Who exactly pulled the trigger on whom?
I don’t trust the Russians any farther than I could throw their entire nation, I have about as much belief in their government. That is all as may be, but that does not excuse the stupidity of BushCo.
You propose to expose Russia as weak, how exactly? Standing with Georgia means what? Empty rhetoric. Those Russian units are armor and mechanized infantry and you propose to do exactly what to prove they’re weak? Bomb them? We do have those, troops not so much. The problem is the Russians have lots of both. Not to mention the magic words - nat gas and oil. Prices not high enough for you and BushCo yet?
I’m real unimpressed by bluster. The Russians are less impressed. The USA is responsible for what it does, and what it knows about other nations should inform some of its actions. The Russians have their interests, we have ours, and all other nations have their interests - some times they intersect and sometimes they conflict, blind alliance or opposition is stupid, you pick and choose.
While you’re busy getting your knickers in a knot on the basis of BushCo rhetoric, it would pay you to remember that Iran cooperated with us in regard to Afghanistan, for their reasons, then we kicked snot out of Iraq and started playing hard ball with them - squatting on their border. They seemed to not like that so much.
You want to buy into all the crud BushCo is shoveling, that’s your look out, if you want to think for yourself make sure you’ve got more sources than their pocket pool pals.
So Russians have their interests, Americans have their interests, other countries have their interests . . .
And where those interests intersect, we . . . defer?
I’m glad you aren’t in the U.S. Foreign Service.
you work pretty hard at it don’t you? Maybe a dictionary would help you… Then again…