If an employer instructs you to say something that is not true then and you agree you are in the wrong. Lundy’s education is not insignificant by any measure. To say it is actually is a lie, and one intended to do personal harm.

Insignificant lacks any value, is it important to have a law degree as a state congressional. If it is then the law needs to state it as a requirement or it is also insignificant. Is there any set qualifications or educational requirements?

Insignificant is just a word but a word chosen to mislead and misrepresent.

Less significant, not as significant perhaps but an MBA is not insignificant.

Actually no university is insignificant, it all less or more in significance.

If you label anything insignificant and it represent people then yes you offend all the people associated with it.

Its interesting how the focus is on LCC, is that because the representation of Friends University and Tiffin within the community is insignificant?

Its like monkeys throwing feces at the zoo.

Actually – I was looking, as you probably will remember when I write it, for a very specific program which only a few schools had at the time – a joint degree in law and social work. So that narrowed my options enormously – but those options included UConn which, as a resident of CT, would have been far less expensive than CWRU.

Name recognition truly only matters in law school when it comes to the kind of job you want: CSU has a much better record of getting judges seated or elected in Ohio compared to Case, but Case has a more national reputation, so if you want to go to NYC or more likely Chicago, you would consider Case before CSU, most likely.

And I’m probably not a good example, because my goals for grad school do not represent the norm (I had no interest in being at a firm).

Urban’s cheap shot perpetuates the uninformed negative opinion inherent in the my school’s better than your school just because of the name argument.

I know you work with many parents and many kids and I’m sure you’ve seen it all when it comes to how people choose educational options, mine and my kids’ choices included. But anyone who has in fact gone through that decision-making process knows what a red herring the Urban-styled dig is. That’s why, except on the absolute most superficial basis, would I agree with you saying that it’s “valid.”

But if all things really were equal, it wouldn’t matter, right?

That’s true, you’re absolutely correct. But all things are not equal. Even if what makes them unequal is just smoke and mirrors, they are still unequal in effect.

Since you bring up Case Law vs. Cleveland State Law consider why you chose to spend more money for the Case degree. There were many factors in play, I’m sure. Among them were probably quality of education, program structure, name recognition and possibly the presence of certain professors.

Regardless of the reasons, you did not consider Case and CSU to be equals. You did not flip a coin. You made an informed choice.

As I said before, Urban’s comparison is a cheap shot, but it is nonetheless valid.

I think Oengus makes the better point. Where you begin your education is less a measure of who you are than where you finish.

I think Lundy should proudly make the case that he began at LCCC, that he has a real connection with his constituents, and that he worked hard and rose to get his MBA from Tiffin.

I’m no big fan of MBAs, but the accomplishment cannot be denied.

B’shalom,

Jeff

To make calls and offer misleading information, that is bad form its real close to lying.

I am suspecting Urban does not have much of a chance, many would say an MBA is better than a BA, the law degree is good, but he is showing he is ok with lying and misleading which is not.

It fun if they call you and tell you things write it down, then check them out. If they’re true great if not call the media. They make it easy to choose who to vote for when they lie to you.

The point isn’t whether Yale is in fact an objectively superior school, name or other experience. The point is that someone who graduated from there is using that fact against someone else to imply that the other person is inferior – I disagree with that implication and I refuse to make that inference because we know that the name alone of Yale means only the history that the name carries – in this day and age, we cannot infer anything about the individual who has the name attached to Yale that would justify thinking that that individual is superior.

In our classless society there is no greater marker of class status than the cost of your college education.

What you study at college is much less important than who you meet, who you make friends with and who becomes your greek siblings.

Is it possible to come out at the top of the game without an Ivy League sheepskin? Of course. But Sen. Barack Obama didn’t choose Harvard because he likes Boston.

If I work really hard and practice, it is possible for me to beat Tiger Woods in a round of golf. But I wouldn’t bet the mortgage.

Sure, Yale vs. LCCC was a cheap shot. But if forced to make a choice between only those two schools for your children, where would you send them?

B’shalom,

Jeff