Comments on: Kathleen Hall Jamieson on Bill Moyers: Press vetting too quickly too http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/09/06/kathleen-hall-jamieson-on-bill-moyers-press-vetting-too-quickly-too/ "She is very powerful, so be nice to her." Former Chancellor, Ohio Board of Regents, Eric Fingerhut Sat, 04 Feb 2012 11:51:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Oengus http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/09/06/kathleen-hall-jamieson-on-bill-moyers-press-vetting-too-quickly-too/comment-page-1/#comment-127239 Oengus Mon, 08 Sep 2008 01:44:46 +0000 http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/09/06/kathleen-hall-jamieson-on-bill-moyers-press-vetting-too-quickly-too/#comment-127239 The bridge to connect Ketchikan international airport on Gravina island to the city of Ketchikan. Not really a bridge to nowhere, it would have connected Alaska’s fourth most populated city to its airport. Palin was all for it all through the election and then changed position for what she said was popular public opposition to the project. Too expensive and they decided to look at improving ferry service instead. That was after she was elected and also after the state has already received the federal dollars. For her to say she fought the bridge is not truthful, not at all. To call it a bridge to nowhere is misleading, was it the media that labeled it as a bridge to nowhere? They never really described the project, they said to connect to an island that only has fifty residents, they never said the island had the cities airport on it and runs ferry service every 30 minutes, every fifteen minutes during tourist season. The southernmost city in Alaska, cruise ships and yes the airport is international, they came to the correct conclusion ferries are better for tourism, the bridge would have been huge and dominate the area. Gravina island part of an archipelago, islands that are the tips of mountain ranges, is the island or does it have developable land? http://www.city.ketchikan.ak.us/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island http://dot.alaska.gov/stwdplng/projectinfo/ser/Gravina/images/alternative_11x17_v4.pdf It’s not so much about how its more about content, detailed valid information. Palin will struggle in Washington, she will be looking for consensus and practicality and find game players and good ole boys. Can you imagine once McCain tells someone to f-off, in front of her, she will be like can I do that? The bridge to connect Ketchikan international airport on Gravina island to the city of Ketchikan. Not really a bridge to nowhere, it would have connected Alaska’s fourth most populated city to its airport. Palin was all for it all through the election and then changed position for what she said was popular public opposition to the project. Too expensive and they decided to look at improving ferry service instead. That was after she was elected and also after the state has already received the federal dollars. For her to say she fought the bridge is not truthful, not at all.

To call it a bridge to nowhere is misleading, was it the media that labeled it as a bridge to nowhere? They never really described the project, they said to connect to an island that only has fifty residents, they never said the island had the cities airport on it and runs ferry service every 30 minutes, every fifteen minutes during tourist season.

The southernmost city in Alaska, cruise ships and yes the airport is international, they came to the correct conclusion ferries are better for tourism, the bridge would have been huge and dominate the area.

Gravina island part of an archipelago, islands that are the tips of mountain ranges, is the island or does it have developable land?

http://www.city.ketchikan.ak.us/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island
http://dot.alaska.gov/stwdplng/projectinfo/ser/Gravina/images/alternative_11x17_v4.pdf

It’s not so much about how its more about content, detailed valid information.

Palin will struggle in Washington, she will be looking for consensus and practicality and find game players and good ole boys.

Can you imagine once McCain tells someone to f-off, in front of her, she will be like can I do that?

]]> By: Meryl Runion http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/09/06/kathleen-hall-jamieson-on-bill-moyers-press-vetting-too-quickly-too/comment-page-1/#comment-127207 Meryl Runion Mon, 08 Sep 2008 00:06:25 +0000 http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/09/06/kathleen-hall-jamieson-on-bill-moyers-press-vetting-too-quickly-too/#comment-127207 Thanks for your distinction, John. It struck me too when I heard her - while we're all susceptible to filtering based on our ideology, there does seem to be a vast difference between different source's willingness to spin every fact and be selective in their use of information. Would she really compare Limbaugh and NPR in reliability? I ask that seriously - because her comment implies that she does. I listen for what holds up under time. Democracy Now certainly has its populist view of the world - but generally speaking what they say hold up as situations unfold. I like Kathleen because she helps me get out of my own mindset of all good being on one side and all bad being on the other - but the conflation and equivocation of sources concerns me. Thanks for your distinction, John. It struck me too when I heard her – while we’re all susceptible to filtering based on our ideology, there does seem to be a vast difference between different source’s willingness to spin every fact and be selective in their use of information. Would she really compare Limbaugh and NPR in reliability? I ask that seriously – because her comment implies that she does.

I listen for what holds up under time. Democracy Now certainly has its populist view of the world – but generally speaking what they say hold up as situations unfold.

I like Kathleen because she helps me get out of my own mindset of all good being on one side and all bad being on the other – but the conflation and equivocation of sources concerns me.

]]> By: John Ettorre http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/09/06/kathleen-hall-jamieson-on-bill-moyers-press-vetting-too-quickly-too/comment-page-1/#comment-127023 John Ettorre Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:08:01 +0000 http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/09/06/kathleen-hall-jamieson-on-bill-moyers-press-vetting-too-quickly-too/#comment-127023 KHJ is a tired old pedantic quote machine who seems to live for being quoted yet again on her ivory tower analysis. It's one thing when she makes banal observations, which is often. It' worse when she just flat gets things wrong--as she does here, conflating deep, comprehensive reporting by the New York Times (which broke the story of the McCain campaign's vetting of Palin with a half dozen veteran reporters) with some bit of foolishness tossed out by a CNN newsreader. Only a fool would go on Moyers and say something that ignorant. Someone who makes their living analyzing "the media" ought to be able to distiguish between serious and unserious media offerings. KHJ is a tired old pedantic quote machine who seems to live for being quoted yet again on her ivory tower analysis. It’s one thing when she makes banal observations, which is often. It’ worse when she just flat gets things wrong–as she does here, conflating deep, comprehensive reporting by the New York Times (which broke the story of the McCain campaign’s vetting of Palin with a half dozen veteran reporters) with some bit of foolishness tossed out by a CNN newsreader. Only a fool would go on Moyers and say something that ignorant. Someone who makes their living analyzing “the media” ought to be able to distiguish between serious and unserious media offerings.

]]> By: Have Coffee Will Write » Blog Archive » MY COMMENTS… http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/09/06/kathleen-hall-jamieson-on-bill-moyers-press-vetting-too-quickly-too/comment-page-1/#comment-126921 Have Coffee Will Write » Blog Archive » MY COMMENTS… Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:12:41 +0000 http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/09/06/kathleen-hall-jamieson-on-bill-moyers-press-vetting-too-quickly-too/#comment-126921 [...] Kathleen Hall Jamieson on Bill Moyers: Press vetting too quickly too Posted in Comments, Election [...] [...] Kathleen Hall Jamieson on Bill Moyers: Press vetting too quickly too Posted in Comments, Election [...]

]]> By: Jeff Hess http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/09/06/kathleen-hall-jamieson-on-bill-moyers-press-vetting-too-quickly-too/comment-page-1/#comment-126920 Jeff Hess Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:11:05 +0000 http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/09/06/kathleen-hall-jamieson-on-bill-moyers-press-vetting-too-quickly-too/#comment-126920 Shalom Jill, Apples and oranges. Journalist report the most accurate information in which we have reasonable confidence at the moment of publication, broadcast or posting The confidence factor is key, of course. We don't report rumors or unsubstantiated allegations. John McCain, or Barack Obama, didn't act on information they received in a single day and they had no concern that someone else will pick their running mate if they didn't do it first. They're in complete control of the process. Journalists are in competition and face daily -- in the Internet world constant -- deadlines. We risk our reputations every time we report. Get it wrong and people stop listening to you. The 24/7 news cycle has altered the equation. Editors have to decide if a 75 percent, 90 percent or 99 percent confidence level is good enough in the moment. Wait for 100 percent and we have dead air, blank pages and empty blogs. B'shalom, Jeff Shalom Jill,

Apples and oranges.

Journalist report the most accurate information in which we have reasonable confidence at the moment of publication, broadcast or posting

The confidence factor is key, of course. We don’t report rumors or unsubstantiated allegations.

John McCain, or Barack Obama, didn’t act on information they received in a single day and they had no concern that someone else will pick their running mate if they didn’t do it first. They’re in complete control of the process.

Journalists are in competition and face daily — in the Internet world constant — deadlines. We risk our reputations every time we report. Get it wrong and people stop listening to you.

The 24/7 news cycle has altered the equation. Editors have to decide if a 75 percent, 90 percent or 99 percent confidence level is good enough in the moment.

Wait for 100 percent and we have dead air, blank pages and empty blogs.

B’shalom,

Jeff

]]> By: LisaRenee http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/09/06/kathleen-hall-jamieson-on-bill-moyers-press-vetting-too-quickly-too/comment-page-1/#comment-126798 LisaRenee Sun, 07 Sep 2008 04:04:43 +0000 http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/09/06/kathleen-hall-jamieson-on-bill-moyers-press-vetting-too-quickly-too/#comment-126798 I agree too and it's become even more difficult to get a variety of view points which increases the possibility of fact checking being done with the reliance on AP articles by some of the MSM. It makes our job as bloggers more difficult at times because it does increase the chance that we are going to post something, write an opinion on it and then discover it was wrong. At least we are better than the MSM when it comes to issuing corrections. :-) I agree too and it’s become even more difficult to get a variety of view points which increases the possibility of fact checking being done with the reliance on AP articles by some of the MSM. It makes our job as bloggers more difficult at times because it does increase the chance that we are going to post something, write an opinion on it and then discover it was wrong.

At least we are better than the MSM when it comes to issuing corrections.

:-)

]]> By: laurie http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/09/06/kathleen-hall-jamieson-on-bill-moyers-press-vetting-too-quickly-too/comment-page-1/#comment-126796 laurie Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:49:24 +0000 http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/09/06/kathleen-hall-jamieson-on-bill-moyers-press-vetting-too-quickly-too/#comment-126796 The CNN lovefest is disheartening. Between Campbell Brown's "this is girlpower!" and Anderson Cooper's googly eyes...blah. No matter what side you're on, it's not appropriate. I won't even go into my feelings about what girl power WASN'T acknowledged. The CNN lovefest is disheartening. Between Campbell Brown’s “this is girlpower!” and Anderson Cooper’s googly eyes…blah. No matter what side you’re on, it’s not appropriate.

I won’t even go into my feelings about what girl power WASN’T acknowledged.

]]> By: laurie http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/09/06/kathleen-hall-jamieson-on-bill-moyers-press-vetting-too-quickly-too/comment-page-1/#comment-126794 laurie Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:40:33 +0000 http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/09/06/kathleen-hall-jamieson-on-bill-moyers-press-vetting-too-quickly-too/#comment-126794 I can't watch the CNN lovefest anymore. Campbell Brown went all "girlpower" over Palin and Cooper got googly eyes I swear. Personal opinions aside, this kind of "vetting" from the media is actually really sad. I can’t watch the CNN lovefest anymore. Campbell Brown went all “girlpower” over Palin and Cooper got googly eyes I swear.

Personal opinions aside, this kind of “vetting” from the media is actually really sad.

]]> By: Daniel Jack Williamson http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/09/06/kathleen-hall-jamieson-on-bill-moyers-press-vetting-too-quickly-too/comment-page-1/#comment-126792 Daniel Jack Williamson Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:32:29 +0000 http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/09/06/kathleen-hall-jamieson-on-bill-moyers-press-vetting-too-quickly-too/#comment-126792 Agreed. Excellent post. Agreed. Excellent post.

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