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	<title>Comments on: Full Ohio Newspaper Poll information available; Mccain-Obama in statistical dead heat</title>
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	<description>&#34;She is very powerful, so be nice to her.&#34; Former Chancellor, Ohio Board of Regents, Eric Fingerhut</description>
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		<title>By: steve thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck Todd of NBC was less than complimentary this morning of this pollster&#039;s historic biases</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck Todd of NBC was less than complimentary this morning of this pollster&#8217;s historic biases</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Keating</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Keating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 04:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@kegbot: right on. I wonder if the publisher of the PD will allow their editorial page writers to make an endorsement this year, or if he&#039;ll make them pull it like he did in 2004 when they wanted to endorse Kerry.

@LisaRenee #5: most likely rounding error. My problem with the poll is their assumptions about party affiliation. Even with the open primary system we have in Ohio, there is no way either major party comes close to 50%. Even in a good year for the Rs, I doubt 48% of Ohioans would consider themselves Republicans, and this year the Republican brand is in shambles. In a Presidential year, when even the &quot;sometimes or never&quot; voters will turn out, those figures have to be closer to 30% for either party, and the &quot;everyone loves a winner&quot; factor gives the Dems the edge.

@Steve: the 4 million &quot;Independents&quot; cited by the Dispatch no doubt includes a substantial number of newly registered voters who either didn&#039;t vote in the primary or registered after the primary (and have not been &quot;flagged&quot; D or R). 

My takeaway is that the methodology is deeply flawed, and the results are not representative of the current electoral sentiment in Ohio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kegbot: right on. I wonder if the publisher of the PD will allow their editorial page writers to make an endorsement this year, or if he&#8217;ll make them pull it like he did in 2004 when they wanted to endorse Kerry.</p>
<p>@LisaRenee #5: most likely rounding error. My problem with the poll is their assumptions about party affiliation. Even with the open primary system we have in Ohio, there is no way either major party comes close to 50%. Even in a good year for the Rs, I doubt 48% of Ohioans would consider themselves Republicans, and this year the Republican brand is in shambles. In a Presidential year, when even the &#8220;sometimes or never&#8221; voters will turn out, those figures have to be closer to 30% for either party, and the &#8220;everyone loves a winner&#8221; factor gives the Dems the edge.</p>
<p>@Steve: the 4 million &#8220;Independents&#8221; cited by the Dispatch no doubt includes a substantial number of newly registered voters who either didn&#8217;t vote in the primary or registered after the primary (and have not been &#8220;flagged&#8221; D or R). </p>
<p>My takeaway is that the methodology is deeply flawed, and the results are not representative of the current electoral sentiment in Ohio.</p>
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		<title>By: LisaRenee</title>
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		<dc:creator>LisaRenee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a huge problem with this poll - it doesn&#039;t add up and I&#039;m amazed that no one else has caught this - the numbers add up to 101% because at least in my world 48% for McCain 46% for Obama, 1% for Barr, 2% for Nader, 1% for Other and 3% undecided does not equal 100%....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a huge problem with this poll &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t add up and I&#8217;m amazed that no one else has caught this &#8211; the numbers add up to 101% because at least in my world 48% for McCain 46% for Obama, 1% for Barr, 2% for Nader, 1% for Other and 3% undecided does not equal 100%&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: kegbot1</title>
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		<dc:creator>kegbot1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

Right on. I looked at the PD this morning and rolled my eyes, especially at the BIG BOLD HEADLINE on the front page: 48-46. I thought - I PAY for this kind of misinformation? 

I have always thought the PD caters to its most right wing readers, thanks, of course, to the influence of Kevin O&#039;Brien.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Right on. I looked at the PD this morning and rolled my eyes, especially at the BIG BOLD HEADLINE on the front page: 48-46. I thought &#8211; I PAY for this kind of misinformation? </p>
<p>I have always thought the PD caters to its most right wing readers, thanks, of course, to the influence of Kevin O&#8217;Brien.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Miller Zimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Miller Zimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve - thanks for reading and commenting.

Your observation is part of what makes Ohio so swingy.  Our semi-open primary system creates difficulty in labeling people as Dem or Republican.  For example, it seems as though, while we do disagree on the number of voters who voted for Clinton, definitely some folks who usually pull a GOP ballot for the primary pulled a Dem one this year for Clinton.  Now that Obama is the candidate, they may very likely pull a GOP ballot.

And then, when you look at the turnout for the primary, you can see why there are so many millions of unaffiliated - these are folks who haven&#039;t pulled a primary ballot in either two or four years (I forget which it is) and can vote however they wish, crossing or not crossing lines, in the general.

I think it&#039;s better for the voter - why should we care so much about who knows our party affiliation unless we want someone to know?  

But for organizing and poll predictions? It&#039;s a nightmate and keeps people guessing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve &#8211; thanks for reading and commenting.</p>
<p>Your observation is part of what makes Ohio so swingy.  Our semi-open primary system creates difficulty in labeling people as Dem or Republican.  For example, it seems as though, while we do disagree on the number of voters who voted for Clinton, definitely some folks who usually pull a GOP ballot for the primary pulled a Dem one this year for Clinton.  Now that Obama is the candidate, they may very likely pull a GOP ballot.</p>
<p>And then, when you look at the turnout for the primary, you can see why there are so many millions of unaffiliated &#8211; these are folks who haven&#8217;t pulled a primary ballot in either two or four years (I forget which it is) and can vote however they wish, crossing or not crossing lines, in the general.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s better for the voter &#8211; why should we care so much about who knows our party affiliation unless we want someone to know?  </p>
<p>But for organizing and poll predictions? It&#8217;s a nightmate and keeps people guessing.</p>
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		<title>By: steve thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Ohio Newspaper Poll describes its methodology as not weighting results based on respondents&#039; self-identification of political party affiliation.  It reports that its respondents identified themselves as 48% Republican, 44% Democrat and 8% Independent.

On August 22, 2008 the Columbus Dispatch reported party affiliations for Ohio&#039;s registered voters as 2.4 million Dems, 1.5 million Repubs and 4.0 million without affiliation.

I am not a professional pollster, but I wonder how the accuracy of the Ohio Newspaper Poll&#039;s results can be evaluated without weighting results based on self-identification of party affiliation, if I have correctly read its description of its methodology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ohio Newspaper Poll describes its methodology as not weighting results based on respondents&#8217; self-identification of political party affiliation.  It reports that its respondents identified themselves as 48% Republican, 44% Democrat and 8% Independent.</p>
<p>On August 22, 2008 the Columbus Dispatch reported party affiliations for Ohio&#8217;s registered voters as 2.4 million Dems, 1.5 million Repubs and 4.0 million without affiliation.</p>
<p>I am not a professional pollster, but I wonder how the accuracy of the Ohio Newspaper Poll&#8217;s results can be evaluated without weighting results based on self-identification of party affiliation, if I have correctly read its description of its methodology.</p>
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		<title>By: kegbot1</title>
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		<dc:creator>kegbot1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Trends for Ohio:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Graphs/ohio.html

Obama takes Ohio and rolls to a big electoral college landslide. Take it to the bank.</description>
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<p>Trends for Ohio:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Graphs/ohio.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Graphs/ohio.html</a></p>
<p>Obama takes Ohio and rolls to a big electoral college landslide. Take it to the bank.</p>
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