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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/10/30/should-mccain-campaign-reimburse-ohio-public-schools/comment-page-1/#comment-383419</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracy - about the discussion in school and your then 10 year old:

I do think learning how to analyze a political race and candidates for political office is a valuable and frankly great thing for our kids to be exposed to in school.  But your story points out that we need to have a very standard curriculum that would be followed for how that is to be done in order to emphasize that this is a democracy and that teachers really should not be promoting one candidate over the other, let alone making any of them look back to the kids.

But let&#039;s face it, even adults have a hard time being able to discuss politics without resorting to name-calling - blogs are a great example.  I want my kids to be passionate about and want to contribute to our democracy, but I definitely would just like to have them get the skills, not necessarily all the opinions of their teachers!

On the other hand, don&#039;t you just know - reasonably - that kids are likely to ASK teachers who they prefer, right?  So - it&#039;s up to the teachers to know to say that that&#039;s not what&#039;s relevant.

I think this can be done without great pain but again, the district, the principals, everyone needs to have the same expectations for how it should be handled.

People often claim that parents are abdicating all childrearing to schools and educators, but clearly we know that&#039;s not the case.  Your story also points out how important it is for us to have communications with our kids!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy &#8211; about the discussion in school and your then 10 year old:</p>
<p>I do think learning how to analyze a political race and candidates for political office is a valuable and frankly great thing for our kids to be exposed to in school.  But your story points out that we need to have a very standard curriculum that would be followed for how that is to be done in order to emphasize that this is a democracy and that teachers really should not be promoting one candidate over the other, let alone making any of them look back to the kids.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s face it, even adults have a hard time being able to discuss politics without resorting to name-calling &#8211; blogs are a great example.  I want my kids to be passionate about and want to contribute to our democracy, but I definitely would just like to have them get the skills, not necessarily all the opinions of their teachers!</p>
<p>On the other hand, don&#8217;t you just know &#8211; reasonably &#8211; that kids are likely to ASK teachers who they prefer, right?  So &#8211; it&#8217;s up to the teachers to know to say that that&#8217;s not what&#8217;s relevant.</p>
<p>I think this can be done without great pain but again, the district, the principals, everyone needs to have the same expectations for how it should be handled.</p>
<p>People often claim that parents are abdicating all childrearing to schools and educators, but clearly we know that&#8217;s not the case.  Your story also points out how important it is for us to have communications with our kids!</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 15:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please know that I am reading all these comments and I think this is still a fascinating issue.  It may very well be one of those things that either has to be decided on a local basis and reflect community desires, or it could also be something that can only be resolved by some hard and fast rule (either everyone can do it or no one kind of thing).  I&#039;m not sure what the answer is, I can only say for myself that I would probably lean toward either opening the floodgates and planning on taking kids to ALL such events of ALL candidates, or not taking them to any at all ever on the school&#039;s dime.  And the more I think of it, to be considerate of everyone&#039;s politics or lack thereof, probably saying no school time and school money will be spent on these things might have to be the way to go - because each community is unlikely to get equal attention from all the candidates, you know? So you can&#039;t offer a point - counterpoint for the kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please know that I am reading all these comments and I think this is still a fascinating issue.  It may very well be one of those things that either has to be decided on a local basis and reflect community desires, or it could also be something that can only be resolved by some hard and fast rule (either everyone can do it or no one kind of thing).  I&#8217;m not sure what the answer is, I can only say for myself that I would probably lean toward either opening the floodgates and planning on taking kids to ALL such events of ALL candidates, or not taking them to any at all ever on the school&#8217;s dime.  And the more I think of it, to be considerate of everyone&#8217;s politics or lack thereof, probably saying no school time and school money will be spent on these things might have to be the way to go &#8211; because each community is unlikely to get equal attention from all the candidates, you know? So you can&#8217;t offer a point &#8211; counterpoint for the kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 15:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize this is well after the original discussion began, but it was so great to find this.
My husband and I consider frequently moving away from the upper northwest tip of Ohio, because of these very things. 
Our then 10-yr-old daughter came home one day during the heat of the &#039;08 campaign to say that her teacher had cast a vote with the class for &quot;Mr. McCain&quot; - yes, it has begun to openly happen - a Republican teacher in these parts reached into the brains of elementary children, let alone the propaganda the h.s. kids are presumably fed, and began the process of pushing a political agenda. 
It didn&#039;t help that she continued to express her choice openly to the class throughout a several weeks-long learning block about politics in the U.S. 
I&#039;ll leave the details at that, but i will add that her reasoning to the students was because &quot;Mr. McCain won&#039;t take all our money in taxes.&quot;
Yes, imagine your 10-yr-old coming home with a furrowed brow worrying suddenly that the candidate her parents support wants to &quot;steal&quot; money from families. This was her concern!
Sure enough it was a teachable moment! And we explained to her that BOTH parties tax the people to help pay for the gigantic budget this country has. 
However, my husband and I were very upset. We felt powerless though! We know very well that complaining about this would &quot;brand&quot; us, AND our daughter (our only child) in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize this is well after the original discussion began, but it was so great to find this.<br />
My husband and I consider frequently moving away from the upper northwest tip of Ohio, because of these very things.<br />
Our then 10-yr-old daughter came home one day during the heat of the &#8217;08 campaign to say that her teacher had cast a vote with the class for &#8220;Mr. McCain&#8221; &#8211; yes, it has begun to openly happen &#8211; a Republican teacher in these parts reached into the brains of elementary children, let alone the propaganda the h.s. kids are presumably fed, and began the process of pushing a political agenda.<br />
It didn&#8217;t help that she continued to express her choice openly to the class throughout a several weeks-long learning block about politics in the U.S.<br />
I&#8217;ll leave the details at that, but i will add that her reasoning to the students was because &#8220;Mr. McCain won&#8217;t take all our money in taxes.&#8221;<br />
Yes, imagine your 10-yr-old coming home with a furrowed brow worrying suddenly that the candidate her parents support wants to &#8220;steal&#8221; money from families. This was her concern!<br />
Sure enough it was a teachable moment! And we explained to her that BOTH parties tax the people to help pay for the gigantic budget this country has.<br />
However, my husband and I were very upset. We felt powerless though! We know very well that complaining about this would &#8220;brand&#8221; us, AND our daughter (our only child) in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 15:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For goodness sakes, no one has ever called Pres. Obama names such as &quot;the anointed one&quot; and a &quot;king&quot; except for bitter losers. Get a grip - seriously. This is what this blog line is talking about - whether busing children to political events etc. is wrong or right. I&#039;m just suggesting that it isn&#039;t for bitter Republicans to vent useless name-calling urges.
I am from Bryan, Ohio, and i agree wholeheartedly with the comments from the other Bryan, Ohio, writer. There is definitely ill will, read above post, in these parts toward anyone who doesn&#039;t toe the GOP line. 
Frankly, the Bryan Times article accomplished nothing but pushing the mop water around some more. Quoting bylaws is an easy way to fill up newspaper space, but really no one, not the board pres, superintendent, said ANYTHING. There was no responsibility taken as to the cost, no transparency to parents and the public about the EXACT cost of the gas, Subway subs, etc. Let alone the time lost in the classroom, which is incalculable. 
This rally was not one to empty our schools for. I don&#039;t care what political persuasion you are. At the time, McCain&#039;s campaign was on its last leg and he said nothing of hisorical value that day, and in fact, barely spoke for - what? - five minutes? 
However, if it enabled one child, just one, to look at the desperation of a political candidate and learn self-respect... perhaps it could help create a future, more evolved politician. if that makes sense.
No, I still feel all of my area&#039;s children did not need to be there. Especially hauling expensive band equipment. The liability is another issue. I&#039;m so glad nothing happened. A lawsuit could have put some of these schools out of business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For goodness sakes, no one has ever called Pres. Obama names such as &#8220;the anointed one&#8221; and a &#8220;king&#8221; except for bitter losers. Get a grip &#8211; seriously. This is what this blog line is talking about &#8211; whether busing children to political events etc. is wrong or right. I&#8217;m just suggesting that it isn&#8217;t for bitter Republicans to vent useless name-calling urges.<br />
I am from Bryan, Ohio, and i agree wholeheartedly with the comments from the other Bryan, Ohio, writer. There is definitely ill will, read above post, in these parts toward anyone who doesn&#8217;t toe the GOP line.<br />
Frankly, the Bryan Times article accomplished nothing but pushing the mop water around some more. Quoting bylaws is an easy way to fill up newspaper space, but really no one, not the board pres, superintendent, said ANYTHING. There was no responsibility taken as to the cost, no transparency to parents and the public about the EXACT cost of the gas, Subway subs, etc. Let alone the time lost in the classroom, which is incalculable.<br />
This rally was not one to empty our schools for. I don&#8217;t care what political persuasion you are. At the time, McCain&#8217;s campaign was on its last leg and he said nothing of hisorical value that day, and in fact, barely spoke for &#8211; what? &#8211; five minutes?<br />
However, if it enabled one child, just one, to look at the desperation of a political candidate and learn self-respect&#8230; perhaps it could help create a future, more evolved politician. if that makes sense.<br />
No, I still feel all of my area&#8217;s children did not need to be there. Especially hauling expensive band equipment. The liability is another issue. I&#8217;m so glad nothing happened. A lawsuit could have put some of these schools out of business.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding whether McCain should reimburse Ohio --HAH!!!
When Obama came to town - everything was shut down for the day so &#039;all&#039; could go to see the &quot;anointed one&quot; Wonder what the cost the taxpayers - universities were closed, schools bused kids by the hundreds  Even the pope or a current sitting president would never garner such pomp and circumstance. One would think the man,Obama,was a king - oh but maybe he is :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding whether McCain should reimburse Ohio &#8211;HAH!!!<br />
When Obama came to town &#8211; everything was shut down for the day so &#8216;all&#8217; could go to see the &#8220;anointed one&#8221; Wonder what the cost the taxpayers &#8211; universities were closed, schools bused kids by the hundreds  Even the pope or a current sitting president would never garner such pomp and circumstance. One would think the man,Obama,was a king &#8211; oh but maybe he is <img src='http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jill Miller Zimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Miller Zimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan Ohio - thanks very much - I&#039;ll try to catch up with it and give it its own post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan Ohio &#8211; thanks very much &#8211; I&#8217;ll try to catch up with it and give it its own post.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the article. That was very informative. I have yet to see any discussion about the &quot;costs&quot; in the Defiance paper. 

The only way for something to be non-partisan is for there to be equal representation of all the parties. Even if they supported McCain and Obama........they would not have likely supported Nader,Baldwin, or Barr. And I guarantee you if the socialist party candidate held a public rally there would be NO school kids at the rally and NO public funds expended for rally costs.

This area is a Republican stronghold. This was a safe decision to make. I commend Acus for raising the issue of propriety and partisanship. 

Bruce</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the article. That was very informative. I have yet to see any discussion about the &#8220;costs&#8221; in the Defiance paper. </p>
<p>The only way for something to be non-partisan is for there to be equal representation of all the parties. Even if they supported McCain and Obama&#8230;&#8230;..they would not have likely supported Nader,Baldwin, or Barr. And I guarantee you if the socialist party candidate held a public rally there would be NO school kids at the rally and NO public funds expended for rally costs.</p>
<p>This area is a Republican stronghold. This was a safe decision to make. I commend Acus for raising the issue of propriety and partisanship. </p>
<p>Bruce</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Ohio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan Ohio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well at least this was brought up at our local school board meeting last night, here&#039;s the article from today&#039;s Bryan Times:

Was band supporting McCain?

By TAMI BRIGLE - Times Reporter

Did Bryan City Schools inadvertently support a political candidate by allowing the band to perform at the John McCain rally in Defiance recently?

Or were officials just allowing students to experience the political process?

That was the concern that school board members addressed Monday night. 

&quot;I&#039;ve gotten word from maybe a couple dozen parents who were concerned about the fact that the Bryan band went to the McCain rally,&quot; said board member Scott Acus. &quot;Some of the concerns that I&#039;ve heard are ... we spent school money to go support a political candidate.&quot;

&quot;ThatÕs tax money that&#039;s coming from people with a wide range of political beliefs.&quot;

At the end of the board meeting, Acus said he and others wanted more information on why the decision was made to send the band to the rally.

Superintendent Diana Savage said she was responsible for making the decision.

&quot;I felt being there in person at such a historic event and having the national coverage that was going to be there, I thought it was truly an honor for us to go, and I gave the permission for us to set up the trip,&quot; Savage said. She added that she got feedback from board members before making her decision, and she also checked with the district&#039;s attorney on the board policy. Acus acknowledged he was the only board member who did not give his approval.

Savage read from board policy 9700, which concerns relations with special interest groups.

The policy states, &quot;Any request from civic institutions, charitable organizations, or special interest groups which involve such activities as patriotic functions, contests, exhibits, sales of products to and by students, sending promotional materials home with students, graduation prizes, fund raising, and free teaching materials must be carefully reviewed to ensure that such activities promote student interests.&quot; 

The policy continues, &quot;... any such approval, granted for whatever cause or group, shall not be construed as an endorsement of said cause or group by this Board. Board President Glen Newcomer supported Savage.

&quot;It is not an endorsement,&quot; he said. &quot;... It is showing responsible citizenship and it also shows respect for the political process. She followed the procedures, and I believe she made the right call.&quot;

Acus still was concerned about mixing politics with education. 

&quot;There&#039;s a reason that school board members are not partisan,&quot; Acus said, explaining that political affiliations should not come into play when dealing with school issues.

Bryan High School Principal Stephen Alspaugh said he also was involved in making the decision to send the students to the rally, and he believed the day was historic and important for students to see, no matter what political affiliations there were. 

&quot;In my 43 years of life, I have never seen anything like what I saw that day. The fact that our students had a chance to be there, the fact that they had a chance to experience and see it, to me, it wouldn&#039;t have mattered whether it was a McCain or Obama rally. It was unbelievable,&quot; said Alspaugh. &quot;In my opinion, it was an unbelievable honor for our students to be there, and I would seriously believe that it wasn&#039;t dependent upon a candidate&quot;

&quot;I was seriously looking at it from the educational aspect for our students,&quot; he added.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well at least this was brought up at our local school board meeting last night, here&#8217;s the article from today&#8217;s Bryan Times:</p>
<p>Was band supporting McCain?</p>
<p>By TAMI BRIGLE &#8211; Times Reporter</p>
<p>Did Bryan City Schools inadvertently support a political candidate by allowing the band to perform at the John McCain rally in Defiance recently?</p>
<p>Or were officials just allowing students to experience the political process?</p>
<p>That was the concern that school board members addressed Monday night. </p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ve gotten word from maybe a couple dozen parents who were concerned about the fact that the Bryan band went to the McCain rally,&#8221; said board member Scott Acus. &#8220;Some of the concerns that I&#8217;ve heard are &#8230; we spent school money to go support a political candidate.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;ThatÕs tax money that&#8217;s coming from people with a wide range of political beliefs.&#8221;</p>
<p>At the end of the board meeting, Acus said he and others wanted more information on why the decision was made to send the band to the rally.</p>
<p>Superintendent Diana Savage said she was responsible for making the decision.</p>
<p>&#8220;I felt being there in person at such a historic event and having the national coverage that was going to be there, I thought it was truly an honor for us to go, and I gave the permission for us to set up the trip,&#8221; Savage said. She added that she got feedback from board members before making her decision, and she also checked with the district&#8217;s attorney on the board policy. Acus acknowledged he was the only board member who did not give his approval.</p>
<p>Savage read from board policy 9700, which concerns relations with special interest groups.</p>
<p>The policy states, &#8220;Any request from civic institutions, charitable organizations, or special interest groups which involve such activities as patriotic functions, contests, exhibits, sales of products to and by students, sending promotional materials home with students, graduation prizes, fund raising, and free teaching materials must be carefully reviewed to ensure that such activities promote student interests.&#8221; </p>
<p>The policy continues, &#8220;&#8230; any such approval, granted for whatever cause or group, shall not be construed as an endorsement of said cause or group by this Board. Board President Glen Newcomer supported Savage.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is not an endorsement,&#8221; he said. &#8220;&#8230; It is showing responsible citizenship and it also shows respect for the political process. She followed the procedures, and I believe she made the right call.&#8221;</p>
<p>Acus still was concerned about mixing politics with education. </p>
<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s a reason that school board members are not partisan,&#8221; Acus said, explaining that political affiliations should not come into play when dealing with school issues.</p>
<p>Bryan High School Principal Stephen Alspaugh said he also was involved in making the decision to send the students to the rally, and he believed the day was historic and important for students to see, no matter what political affiliations there were. </p>
<p>&#8220;In my 43 years of life, I have never seen anything like what I saw that day. The fact that our students had a chance to be there, the fact that they had a chance to experience and see it, to me, it wouldn&#8217;t have mattered whether it was a McCain or Obama rally. It was unbelievable,&#8221; said Alspaugh. &#8220;In my opinion, it was an unbelievable honor for our students to be there, and I would seriously believe that it wasn&#8217;t dependent upon a candidate&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I was seriously looking at it from the educational aspect for our students,&#8221; he added.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who paid for this?

According to the Defiance City Administrator Jeff Leonard:

&quot;City officials have not debated whether to charge the Republican campaign for any of the costs the city incurred because of the event, but he explained that it is important for the city to support the rights of free speech and assembly which are important in America.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who paid for this?</p>
<p>According to the Defiance City Administrator Jeff Leonard:</p>
<p>&#8220;City officials have not debated whether to charge the Republican campaign for any of the costs the city incurred because of the event, but he explained that it is important for the city to support the rights of free speech and assembly which are important in America.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kegbot1</title>
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		<dc:creator>kegbot1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every time I read comments like this it reinforces my basic beliefs about Republicans/conservatives and especially rural small-town conservatives - bullies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time I read comments like this it reinforces my basic beliefs about Republicans/conservatives and especially rural small-town conservatives &#8211; bullies.</p>
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