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		<title>By: Have Coffee Will Write &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MY COMMENTS&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Have Coffee Will Write &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MY COMMENTS&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hess</title>
		<link>http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/11/21/just-one-reason-i-chose-a-college-that-didnt-have-a-greek-life/comment-page-1/#comment-169364</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Hess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shalom Reverend,

I don&#039;t think we&#039;re in disagreement.

You&#039;re right, symbolic gestures are not what is missing here; our society is filled with such events.

What is missing is the meaningful and legal recognition of the passage from child to adult.

B&#039;shalom,

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shalom Reverend,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re in disagreement.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, symbolic gestures are not what is missing here; our society is filled with such events.</p>
<p>What is missing is the meaningful and legal recognition of the passage from child to adult.</p>
<p>B&#8217;shalom,</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Have Coffee Will Write &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MY COMMENTS&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hess</title>
		<link>http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/11/21/just-one-reason-i-chose-a-college-that-didnt-have-a-greek-life/comment-page-1/#comment-169078</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Hess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shalom JoeR,

Since national fraternities (not all, Joe? And not regional or local fraternities -- if such exist?) banned hazing years ago, why is that not a year goes by that we don&#039;t hear of a new case on some campus in the United States?

I don&#039;t buy the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloggerheads.com/archives/2004/12/torture_bad_app.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;bad apple theory.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Nationals, as a matter of policy, must erect firewalls against hazing or face the destructive force of lawsuits that would wipe the stain of the greek system off the face of academia.

We&#039;ve seen the very worst of the greek system in the highest office in our nation for the past four years and the terrible toll it has exacted from both our economy and our collective honor.

B&#039;shalom,

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shalom JoeR,</p>
<p>Since national fraternities (not all, Joe? And not regional or local fraternities &#8212; if such exist?) banned hazing years ago, why is that not a year goes by that we don&#8217;t hear of a new case on some campus in the United States?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t buy the <a href="http://www.bloggerheads.com/archives/2004/12/torture_bad_app.asp" rel="nofollow"><b>bad apple theory.</b></a></p>
<p>Nationals, as a matter of policy, must erect firewalls against hazing or face the destructive force of lawsuits that would wipe the stain of the greek system off the face of academia.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve seen the very worst of the greek system in the highest office in our nation for the past four years and the terrible toll it has exacted from both our economy and our collective honor.</p>
<p>B&#8217;shalom,</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Have Coffee Will Write &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MY COMMENTS&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/11/21/just-one-reason-i-chose-a-college-that-didnt-have-a-greek-life/comment-page-1/#comment-168810</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JoeR</title>
		<link>http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/11/21/just-one-reason-i-chose-a-college-that-didnt-have-a-greek-life/comment-page-1/#comment-168808</link>
		<dc:creator>JoeR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t disagree with your take on hazing one bit. I do however find the title of your post offensive. The reality is most national fraternitys and sororitys banned hazing years ago.  In fact the fraternity I was part of in the late 70&#039;s the national office closed one of the local chapters for breaking that rule. 

Am I being naive that there are those that still break the rules, of course not. But to assume all &quot;greek&quot; organizations allow hazing is unfair.

Fraternities and sororities have many positives. Things like scholorships, school spirit, charity work, educational tools and encouragement, networking and a sense of honor and responsiblity is often instilled within those organizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with your take on hazing one bit. I do however find the title of your post offensive. The reality is most national fraternitys and sororitys banned hazing years ago.  In fact the fraternity I was part of in the late 70&#8242;s the national office closed one of the local chapters for breaking that rule. </p>
<p>Am I being naive that there are those that still break the rules, of course not. But to assume all &#8220;greek&#8221; organizations allow hazing is unfair.</p>
<p>Fraternities and sororities have many positives. Things like scholorships, school spirit, charity work, educational tools and encouragement, networking and a sense of honor and responsiblity is often instilled within those organizations.</p>
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		<title>By: The Reverend</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Reverend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Jill here. I don&#039;t care what persuasion is being considered.....hazing has no other credible purpose....none....except for the cruelty that is expressed.

&quot;when does a person get to say I am a man or a woman?&quot;

To be sure....symbolic gestures, in my opinion, have nothing to do with answering the question &quot;when&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Jill here. I don&#8217;t care what persuasion is being considered&#8230;..hazing has no other credible purpose&#8230;.none&#8230;.except for the cruelty that is expressed.</p>
<p>&#8220;when does a person get to say I am a man or a woman?&#8221;</p>
<p>To be sure&#8230;.symbolic gestures, in my opinion, have nothing to do with answering the question &#8220;when&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Hess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shabbat shalom Jill,

First, you&#039;re right. What happened here was wrong.

Second, I think hazing in general is a response to our society&#039;s abandonment of meaningful rites of passage.

There was a time when we organized community events that involved real trials to serve as rites of passage for the transition from childhood to adulthood. (I think that the recent introduction of the artificial period of adolescence is a mistake.)

We no longer provide our children with a clear marker: b&#039;nai mitzvah at 13, driver&#039;s license at 16, marriage, military service, voting and cigarettes at 18, alcohol at 21; when does a person get to say I am a man or a woman?

I don&#039;t think banning/criminalizing these behaviors is the answer. I think we need to engage in the process and start acting like adults by making a decision here.

B&#039;shalom,

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shabbat shalom Jill,</p>
<p>First, you&#8217;re right. What happened here was wrong.</p>
<p>Second, I think hazing in general is a response to our society&#8217;s abandonment of meaningful rites of passage.</p>
<p>There was a time when we organized community events that involved real trials to serve as rites of passage for the transition from childhood to adulthood. (I think that the recent introduction of the artificial period of adolescence is a mistake.)</p>
<p>We no longer provide our children with a clear marker: b&#8217;nai mitzvah at 13, driver&#8217;s license at 16, marriage, military service, voting and cigarettes at 18, alcohol at 21; when does a person get to say I am a man or a woman?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think banning/criminalizing these behaviors is the answer. I think we need to engage in the process and start acting like adults by making a decision here.</p>
<p>B&#8217;shalom,</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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