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I disagree entirely with this “but look how much he’s done for us” excuse for the White House Hannukah invite snafu this year:
Now, some in the community and media are having fun, or even taking offense, with the fact that when the invitations arrived for this year’s White House Chanukah Party, they were illustrated with a scene of a horse-drawn cart delivering The White House Christmas tree.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/26/first-white-house-chrismukkah-cards-accidentally-sent/
To make this - or any President’s - gracious hospitality the subject of jest is chutzpah of the highest order.
Not only is George W. Bush the first to place a Chanukah Party on The White House calendar, but when the fact of this event is considered in the context of Jewish history - a history of centuries of persecution and exclusion - a sensible person’s only reaction can be one of gratitude for the freedom Jews enjoy in the United States of America and respect and appreciation for this nation’s president.
Ron Kampeas of the JTA agrees with the OU:
Maybe we learned too well. I’m with the Orthodox Union on the “Chrismukkah” card flap. It’s astonishingly bad manners, of a piece with an unfortunate “kick a man when he’s down” political tradition in this country (See, ironically enough, the post 2000 treatement of Al Gore.)
Whether you believe President Bush will be vindicated or that his policies were disastrous for Israel - and that’s above my pay grade - his embrace of Jewish Americans has been warm and unambiguous. (Yes, his White House, in its first term at least, snubbed those groups that were not 100 percent on board with its message - but that policy, however butt-headed, was ecumenical.)
I attended a few of the White House Hannukiyah lightings, and up close, one could appreciate how much of a kick Bush got out of the whole “house of the American people” ethos. One night, a Jewish kids’ choir could be singing the Maoz Tsur, another night Muslim Americans might be delivering Eid greetings - he genuinely seemed to enjoy the idea that the prayers could change from event to event, and still be essentially American.
Like someone might smile adoringly at something put on display for amusement?
Ugh.
This reminds me of a debate on Wide Open last year during which I too was told, in essence, “can’t you just be grateful for how much less you suffer now and leave it at that” as a way to tamp me down about current anti-Semitism and slights.
Not happening. The gaffe was completely preventable and just because there are in fact some cultures within American society who prefer to stifle their observations of slights because they think that’s good manners, Jews have learned that to do so can lead to death.
So, I’ll take my Hannukah card with a side of speaking up if you don’t mind.
By Jill Miller Zimon at 11:35 am November 29th, 2008 in George Bush, Holidays, Jewish, Judaism, Politics, Religion, Wide Open, leadership
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I certainly don’t think der Dubyer has anything even resembling an anthropological perspective, but that whole passage still put me in mind of this, to be honest. He was smiling there, too.
Shalom Jill,
Better to end the sending of all cards — regardless of how they’re paid for — and donate the money to a charity selected by the First Family.
B’shalom,
Jeff
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I bet the person who’s behind these White House invites did this gem of a point-of-purchase gaffe:
http://mcheathster.com/images/POP_FAIL.jpg
If it was an error a mishap, its human nature to be embarrassed and not flattering to reprimand especially after an apology was made.
The Jews, I find are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced] P[ersons] as long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog. Put an underdog on top and it makes no difference whether his name is Russian, Jewish, Negro, Management, Labor, Mormon, Baptist he goes haywire. I’ve found very, very few who remember their past condition when prosperity comes.
Harry S. Truman
In book of Jeremiah, Yirməyāhū
This is what the LORD says:
“Do not learn the ways of the nations
or be terrified by signs in the sky,
though the nations are terrified by them.
For the customs of the peoples are worthless;
they cut a tree out of the forest,
and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.
They adorn it with silver and gold;
they fasten it with hammer and nails
so it will not totter.
Why you decorate trees and put them in your homes….
http://cleveland.about.com/od/famousclevelanders/p/schwan.htm
If your Ashkenazi and follow rabbinic literature then…
Dedicate one night to a discussion of women and resistance — and give tzedakah to a feminist organization?
http://jewishcurrents.blogspot.com/2007/12/from-gelt-to-tzedakah.html
I tell you this as far as religions go, the Jews have a system.
I have some issues though, and with the philosophy and how it interlaces with capitalism. I am serious not that people who attain the corner office did not earn the corner office. It’s that some think they deserve it and some may not be earning it.
This is way off topic but, consider this within the context of different religions and beliefs.
http://www.pressbox.co.uk/detailed/Society/Jehovah_s_Witnesses_Lies_for_Good_teachings_to_be_heeded_a_big_clean_up_is_needed._32139.html
I agree in that patronizing other faiths with “holiday festivals” is gay. The true and real gay, queer in the true sense of the word. If it means nothing then it means nothing to you, do not pretend it does.
I do not think there is one god, its like there really being a mother nature. Something about giving that is intentional and calculated, and then taking thats the other side, take take take…more more more.
Do you need a hand look to the end of your wrist.
Round and round, it make you dizzy doesn’t it. I make my self sick with it all…
I find this interesting in light of the “Jesus and His Peeps” slur you reveled in.
[EDITED IN: Here is the post Phil is referencing. Readers can decide for themselves if it constitutes me reveling in a slur. Phil did not comment on that post, unless he was one of the anonymous commenters.]
In the documentary “Memories of the Camps” there is a scene that takes place while the Ozark Mountain Division is sweeping across Austria liberating death camps. In the corner of a still photograph of a barn in which a thousand men of every cast were murdered by retreating SS, the American soldiers seen include my Christian stepdad’s unit.
Be careful what thou doth protest.
I’m sorry for the death of your stepfather, along with the millions of others whom the SS slaughtered as they saw their evil being put to an end.
But there is no connection between his bravery and the Bush administrations faux pas, big and small, of the last eight years.
There’s a bit that Chris Rock does about getting the cookie. You don’t get a cookie for doing what you’re supposed to do and I’m sure your stepfather felt that way as well even as he gave his life in Austria. That’s what I understand most military individuals feel: they are doing their duty. He fought and died so that I could be born and continue the fight against ingrained prejudice against all people regardless of religion, sexual orientation, the color of their skin etc.
The White House blunder here doesn’t result in death but it shows a total lack of discipline or adherence to protocol that shows respect.
If you are comparing the weightiness of this blog and a post that specifically asks those who might be affected as to how they feel about Jesus and his peeps, well, maybe I should be running for president in 2012 and you could be my campaign manager.
It ends when you end it in yourselves, mistakes made get pointed out in common courtesy, not with a harsh reprehend. Not with a huge generalization stating usury, which in it self is both true and false, people stuck with lemons make lemonade. Offering equilateral respect within what substantially and inherently is at odds.
If anything it’s Christianity that worked hardest to assimilate all often compromising itself in the process and also in manners that included violence and that of the free passes militias offer. What is that the solider can kill as long as they do not relish in it?
It is the same old stuff, the attempts at Xmas and the “Holiday Season” my favorite the Chanukah bush.
The Torah and then the manifestations to the Old testament, sorry the book is heinous many part of it cruel and unforgiving then came Christ, to temper that and what and how was he received? He was a Jew as he entered the temple and noticed because he had a command of the scriptures. Some learn to forgive and forget and other beat you to death over a contradiction.
The drama is not new, the parts have been all written go ahead and act them out.
I struggle to exits outside of a specific mantra in faith, I look at it all and then the lights come on.
Jill, my comment was not clear as I reread it. Stepdad is alive and well, thankfully. My point was that a seemingly trivial gaff or unintentional slight can be very offensive to another group. I didn’t weigh in on the peeps post at the time because there is so much more to be concerned about in this world. It was startling and a bit disappointing to me however, to see it posted, at Easter, on an intelligent, thoughtful blog like WLST. Had it popped up on Icanhascheezburger, meh.
I am neither Christian or Jewish but religious and cultural freedom is a cornerstone of my freedom. A few years ago two events were held at Case around the time of the row over the Dutch cartoons that enraged some elements of the Muslim world. The first was a panel discussion at the Law school. The setup was very sloppy and at one point, the gathering audience was assailed without introduction with a wide screen monitor blaring a particularly egregious South Park episode depicting, among other things, Jesus wielding a machine gun, and Moses depicted with Santa Claus in a typical South Park assault. What was disturbing to me, was that as the discussion got under way, the panel introduced the Dutch cartoons with kid gloves, warning the audience, and asking if they preferred not to see them. Jews and Christians were not given the same courtesy, by a long shot. It stunk of PC dujour.
The next day was a talk given by the Washington based correspondent of Al Jazzera. In the Q&A session, he remarked that historically and culturally, Muslims would find the satirical depiction of any deity offensive. I did some research and sure enough, even radical fundamentalist Islamic propaganda steers clear of denigrating Jesus, Moses et al. Humans can be blown apart, but religious icons are off limits. I only observe this, have no scholarly interpretation. It does underscore the importance of symbolism in the ecumenical dialogue.
So in the scheme of things, I personally find the card gaff clumsy but of little significance in reflecting the inclusion of Judaism in our nation. There are bigger fish to fry in light of the world we live in.
The reference to my stepdad’s service is also a Wikipedia entry. The event is also chronicled in his memoirs and the 102nd Ozark Mountain division official history of their Rhineland campaign. His memoirs are as horrific a thing as I have ever read. In all the years I have known him, he has never uttered a single derogatory statement against any one, even his German adversaries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardelegen_(war_crime)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/102nd_Infantry_Division_(United_States)
Hi Phil, first, thank you for taking so much time to put your reaction to the peeps post and this one in context. I really appreciate it.
I’m not ignorant of or blind to the relative trivial nature of the peeps post and this one re: the White House card gaffe. But, putting my blog in context, it is just one person’s “what I noticed that day” writings. I know - I feel good and am glad that people (myself included) often expect and usually get more than that - that is of course a personal goal.
On the other hand, seriously - the peep thing? I will confess to a fixation about what people do to those things - and we’re talking people who observe the holiday.
I was watching the CNN show Reliable Sources this morning and was just getting more and more irate: they were talking about how the NYT had a front page article about how Angeline Jolie manipulates the press.
And all I could think about was: AND SHE’S DOING IT NOW! YOU ARE SPENDING almost an ENTIRE HOUR, for a once/week show ON HOW THIS STARLET USES THE PRESS!!! ARGH!!!!!!!
But that’s what people will buy and so that’s what PEOPLE will publish.
What’s the connection?
The peeps, and a few other things, are my Angelina Jolie (you know I’m going to have to google to see if there are any peep-Jolie dioramas).
But also, I seriously could not understand why a naked chocolate Jesus was any different from the peep - and some people did, some didn’t. I don’t know - I’m not making any excuses for myself, and I certainly didn’t write the post to offend and when you go back and read it, you can see, I was and am very earnest in wanting to understand from a POV I’ll never have.
As for the card, yes - I agree with you - in the scheme of things, it’s not enormous.
But for someone like me, who feels that Bush completely let down the Middle East - Israelis and Palestinians - for all eight years, it is just emblematic to me of so much about his hands off over-delegating style, or failure to care.
If I had to write this post over again, I can see that maybe stressing the symbolism I see in this faux pas might have been more…clear. I will keep such things in mind in the future.
I look forward to checking out the links you left. Thank you.
Oengus - if you build it, we will come. You really need to start a blog, you know.
Jill, I checked the links, and they are not correct for some reason, the upshot is that my stepdad’s unit was in the front line of the massive effort that slogged across Germany to close the vise on the Wehrmacht. Caught between the Russians and the Allies, there was an all out effort in the end by the Germans to surrender to the Allies at the Elbe River, as the Russians were not taking prisoners.
In the town of Gardelegen was discovered a final atrocity, 1,016 men murdered at the hands of the fleeing SS. My stepdad’s memoirs describe the scene in horrible detail, and I was interested to see the same photo show up in the camp documentary I referred to. A footnote to this is after my stepdad rejoined his unit following the chaotic end of the Battle of the Bulge, he wrote to his mother. In writing the letter, he realized he had just turned 20 years old. It is hard to imagine what he had been through, when I compare my privileged life at 20.
Phil, your description of that panel is interesting. The thing is though, for all the multicultural sensitivity and yadda yadda yadda that they might have been giving lip service to, the plain fact is that it was most probably a question of fear.
Islam is a Religion of Peace™, and if you say otherwise they will kill you. Huge swaths of the Muslim world went absolutely apeshit over those stupid cartoons, so having safety concerns wouldn’t necessarily be alarmist. Just ask Theo van Gogh, Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Salman Rushdie what happens when you criticize Islam.
Conversely, Christians and Jews aren’t currently known for flipping their wigs and calling for blood over criticism or other trifling matters.
As Jill will attest I have been thinking a lot of late as to what happened in the “name of God” recently brought home through my travels
http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2008/11/04/wait-for-it-a-journey-of-the-mind-remember/
I received an email just last evening from Scotland where apparently the “Holocaust” is now being removed from the curriculum in the UK due to the fact that Muslims are finding it offensive…. ( I am checking on that)
AND NO I am not Jewish… but even watching last evening the National Geographic presentation of the two Auschwitz Albums I just cannot fathom how this could be done.
This is part of “living history” and the events of recents days makes my heart sore.
It maybe “just a card” to some and not worth the fuss but I don’t agree……I think fuss should be made and shouldve been made back in the 30’s …. it wasn’t and 20 millions died….. and continue to do so Loraine
Shalom Bloqesque,
Huge swaths? Citations and numbers please.
A few thousand (tens of thousands) of protesters who make it onto cable news does not a swath make, specially when we’re talking about a religious population of more than 1.6 billion.
The United States needs to get over the Bush/Cheney panic and get a grip on what is happening in the world.
Yes. There is a challenge from religious fanatics, but it is not the grand War on Terror that we’ve been lied to about.
There are no end times.
B’shalom,
Jeff
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Jeff, when it involves thousands and tens of thousands actively and simultaneously protesting (often with gov’t approval in countries which generally disallow protest) in multiple countries across Africa, the ME, southern Asia and Europe for several days, I think it’s fair to discuss it as a broad-based phenomenon. Focusing on statistics misses the point, as does forgetting that Islam is not just a religion but also a political ideology. Instead, I have an easier numeric question for you: how many authoritative Muslim scholars/mullahs/etc came out and said, “yes, those images are offensive but we support and believe in free speech?”
I’ll wait.
Even the “moderates” were in favor of suppressing or removing the cartoons — at minimum. Then there was the British teacher who was in deep doo-doo over letting her (Muslim) students name a teddy bear Mohammed. Thin skin much?
We won’t discuss stonings for 13-year-old rape victims, acid attacks on women and so forth. Suffice it to say that worldwide, Islam has violence control issues at pretty much every tier of human social interaction.
Saudi King Abdullah (who, in addition to being king, is also “Keeper of the Holy Places” or some such ridiculous title) recently put together an “interfaith dialogue” at the UN. The result? A UN resolution which attempts to essentially criminalize “blasphemy.”
Advocates of Islam want to criminalize certain kinds of speech everywhere in the world, and as far as I’m concerned, that qualifies as going “absolutely apeshit.” YMMV. The fact of the matter is that Islam is incompatible with and antithetical to the First Amendment. It is very often violently so, and the extremists who go there are tacitly encouraged by the “moderates” who agree with their aims — if not their methods.
As a consistent critic of religious irrationality, I have a firm grip on what’s happening, thank you very much. Of course there’s no such thing as the “end times,” at least not until the sun burns out its fuel millions of years from now. I also don’t have any antiquated notions of religious respect and propriety putting the brakes on my criticisms. I will criticize and blaspheme as much as I please against any religion I please, especially political religion. I’ll thank Abdullah and the UN to keep their noses out of it.
Cultural relativism works in some contexts but not in others; Islam’s known propensity for disproportionate response to even the mildest of criticisms is one of those other contexts. All religions are equally valid (which is to say not at all), but some are more pathological than others. Defend Islam if you like; I will instead stand for freedom. If you think that’s just me parroting some empty Bush-Cheney-McCain-Palin campaign slogan, well, you have the right to be wrong.
Anyway, back to the original topic:
This crismukkah card business is just inattentive stupidity on the part of the Bush White House, which has apparently already clocked out. Frankly I doubt it was intentional and can likely be chalked up to just going through the motions until moving day arrives. For eight years, sloppy and half-assed has been a hallmark of the Bush administration. Why would they change now?
Shalom Blogesque,
Islam is no more a political ideology than Christianity, Judaism or Buddhism. That political thugs — whether they be islamists, christianists, judasist or budahists — hide behind a stolen mantle of religiosity does not taint the faith of those who disagree with their political ends.
And again, citations and numbers for these protests please.
B’shalom,
Jeff
Don’t be disingenuous, Jeff.
http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=Dutch+cartoons+protests
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=116545&d=21&m=11&y=2008
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=9b8e3a6d-795d-440f-a5de-6ff6e78c78d5
You want numbers, look them up yourself. I’m interested in forests, not trees.
What did Muhammad bring to the table other than the sword, in the Koran it states that they will ridicule you and your faith and for that you can kill them.
Martyrdom?
Make sure you make perfect sense and with respect or you will get none in return.
Muhammad saw the assimilation at work and those behind it. He preached warning of that and of the attempts to convert.
The holy land extend to the Euphrates, that’s very threatening particularly if you assume the levels of devotion you have on others.
They see the other faiths as they evolved from them, third attempt at perfection. This one defends and protect with rewards.
Psychology and logic?
God never took pen to paper, everything came through an interpreter, the minds eye.
I suggest a bit more conscious and bit less conviction, he still speaks learn to listen.
Wolves sense intellect, but be careful not to pet them…they will bite your hand.
I have been runing a series ( guest blogger) on his trip to Africa on business, what shocked me this week as I uploaded his writings was the very matter of fact answer he received from his driver when he saw the filtch and garbage and shacks behind barbed wire ……
What is that area known as?”, I ask.
Edgar says “Those are the squatters or townships. A lot of people living there have nowhere else to live so the government lets them set up homes like that.”
I am amazed at the living conditions. I did see they had electricity but ….the garbage every where, behind barbed wire fences the people walking, children playing. Just amazing.
Edgar goes on to say “a lot of them have escaped over the mountains to where it is safe for them. On the other side of that mountains a lot of people are put into slavery, women are beaten, children abused. They escape to beautiful Cape Town to get away. Those that are lucky not to be eaten by the animals or die from exposure to the mountains usually live here.”
Noteveryone holds life dear…….. Loraine
Shalom Oengus,
My own understanding of Islam comes from two experiences.
The first is two Navy tours in the South Pacific Muslims are much more present than many Westerners believe. The second was a course on the Quran taught by Rabbi Ron Brauner.
Both experiences taught me that Islam is not the boogie man those who benefit from keeping us in fear want it to be.
May I ask which translation of the Quran you have in your personal library and how much of it you’ve sat down to read?
B’shalom,
Jeff
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Shalom Blogesque,
I’m not the one who raised the spectre of:
One of the reasons I’m looking forward to the next four years is that I expect the foreign policy of the administration of President-elect Barack Hussein Obama to based on reason and facts, not fears and disinformation.
Again. Precisely how many muslims do you include in your “huge swath” and what are your sources for asserting that number?
B’shalom,
Jeff
The Cow, 2.120 And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion.
The Quran is not difficult reading and I do not lack comprehension, so I do not need to be taught.
As far as fear goes, I do not fear anything other than myself. I enjoy Opium…but I am not an addict.
I studied it first when Iran took the hostages, in attempt to understand why.
It has full knowledge of anything written before it, as does the new testament.
On the tenth day “Ashura” men beat themselves with straps with razors in them “matam” they beat themselves bloody until they pass out… banned in some Shia areas and not others…
It is what it is, civilization that being a civilized society does not do such things, but getting from there to here takes time? Actually lifetimes….
I was getting some google searches on my site last couple of days and they were linking to an article I wrote last summer I went back and reread what I had written .. when is it OK to be insulted…. should I have got my knickers in a twist over this…. you tell me
after all in the great scheme of things did it make a difference??
Is it not on par with the feelings about the “card”…..but I did get my knickers in a knot when I thought about it again and it still wrankles that someone who should have known better obviously didn’t…..
http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/when-is-it-ok/
Should that read “when is it acceptable to offer up an insult”?
Domhnach na Fola
When they shot the people there
The cries of thirteen martyrs
Filled the Free Derry air
Is there any one amongst you
Dare to blame it on the kids?
Not a soldier boy was bleeding
When they nailed the coffin lids!
Broken bottles under children’s feet
Bodies strewn across the dead end street
But I wont heed the battle call
It puts my back up
Puts my back up against the wall
Domhnach na Fola
When does fact become fiction…something to do with convenience. Yes after January 30th 1972 they passed the hat around…
Its all stopped after 911, the violence that is.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2008/nov/03/hunger-bobby-sands
Not the same, this article makes parallelism, dangerously I say.
A time to stand up and a time to stand down, I see it, but then again I see it all.
If you wear you heart your on your sleeve, you can always find someone that says they sympathize and also some that will throw it up in your face.
Not all britts are unkind, not all have crooked teeth.
Can you dance to that love, can you
find the Rhythm? Try this if the insult does not serve the purpose, make the point they pick up guns and begin to shoot people in the head, they blow things up…can you feel it now!
That woman…that girl
Your not Marlo Thomas, Loraine your writing is like mushy pees.
Ah Oengus I LOVE Mushy Peas , especially with pie (ever tried the humble kind) and chips…..
I am sorry but I only take criticsm to heart from those that have a birth certificate….
I can see that you are one of the “graders of grammar” and I usually don’t get a passing grade.. trouble is I don’t care.. so red pencil away it has been done before and by people with real names
I experienced the troubles - lived it - did you? my heart is not only on my sleeve but bleeds as well….
and Oengus reading your “sliced and diced” answers here - I would say “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing!”
Oengus I apologize of course you don’t have a birthcertificate how could an Irish God and Saint ever get down to earth long enough to aquire one
Explains a lot though now when I read your comments …..
Oengus
n : (Irish) god of love and beauty; patron deity of young men
and women [syn: Angus Og, Aengus, Oengus, Angus]
Oengus, St (8th–9th cent.), Irish saint, commonly, but perhaps erroneously, called the Culdee, author of a Félire or verse martyrology. He apparently spent the latter part of his life in the community at Clonenagh, Co. Laoise, and in a nearby hermitage. At some point he joined the fraternity of Tallaght, near Dublin. Here he collaborated with St Máel Rúain (d. 792) on the compilation of the Martyrology of Tallaght, the oldest Irish martyrology and a major source of his own. Both martyrologies in their extant form can be dated c.800 or c.830. Feast day, 11 Mar.
Do you think it easy being a god, everybody adoring me all the time.
It’s not “lest we forget”, it’s “lest we remember”. That’s what all this is about - the memorials, the Cenotaph, the two minutes’ silence. Because there is no better way if forgetting something than by commemorating it.
Gods have no need for papers, no need for underpants either
Oh dear Oengus I realize it must be so difficult to be a self proclaimed God….my name “that woman” was bestowed upon me King Cole ( Editor of the Morning Journal) and I find it very difficult at times as well….appointment by the King and all that….
As for the need for underpants well two things come to mind ( one with the weather being as cold as it is I would hate for your worshippers to view your anatomy with disrespect ( we all know what happens to God “heads” in the cold… and since you have had to digest my writings of mushy peas that can cause all sorts of problems with the back door trots.. underpants may be something you might want to think about …..
as for me I will remember in my own human bleeding heart way and give the key from the door of Dublin castle a rub! (pilfered by my Grandad in 1913) Cheers Loraine
Well we all know King Cole called for the pipe, maybe he should have laid of it. Maybe then he would have remembered your name?
May 8,2007
There is no life - no life without its hunger;
Each restless heart beats so imperfectly;
But when you come and I am filled with wonder,
Sometimes, I think I glimpse eternity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland
Oengus I wil leave it to you the god ( small g meant) and saint to have the last word as I tremble in fear that feet of clay may come tumbling down from your exhaulted position in all things and crush a mere mortal such as I
Cheers Loraine
sigh….
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071204202929AAz2OX6
Teach your children well,
Their father’s hell did slowly go by
You talk about speaking out about israel, yet you continue to support people who want to help usher its falling back and destruction….as Obama wants to put back the borders to pre 62 levels, and his friend Jesse Jackson talks about now zionists being out of power…..I just don’t get you jill….you get all bent over a card kerfluffle but when someone makes anti semitic remarks about a republican politician you say, oh well…..nice selective outrage.
Mark - can you please provide more specs on this - I have no idea what you’re talking about: “when someone makes anti semitic remarks about a republican politician you say, oh well.” Thanks.