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		<title>By: Loraine Ritchey</title>
		<link>http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/12/03/ohios-prison-population-fear-takes-control-again/comment-page-1/#comment-174657</link>
		<dc:creator>Loraine Ritchey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well  it seemes the other post made it  too  sorry  for  the double dip  Loraine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well  it seemes the other post made it  too  sorry  for  the double dip  Loraine</p>
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		<title>By: Loraine Ritchey</title>
		<link>http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/12/03/ohios-prison-population-fear-takes-control-again/comment-page-1/#comment-174405</link>
		<dc:creator>Loraine Ritchey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trying this  again.I  wrote a rather lengthy  post on the situation here in Lorain. We became a dumping ground through  a program  called &quot;Independent Housing&quot;( this  program pays  a non profit a contracted amount per night to  sleep  the released RSO&#039;s (  it  was very  lucrative for  the non profit  involved)  through  the &quot;Bureau  of Community  Sanctions&quot; which  over sees  prisons releases among other aspects.  

We in Lorain city were receiving 10  RSO&#039;s a day (  and please remember that being a RSO  is  usually  only &quot;part&quot; of  their record- these were not  people returning home but  being sent to  a community . After the 30 -90 days  that BCS paid  for their  housing was up  they  were left to  go  into  the neighborhoods, some ended up  homeless, some in shelters, some under the bridge and some back  in prison and some are in our  neighborhoods.... there are thousands being released from Ohio&#039;s prisons due to  the mandatory  sentencing cycle coming to  an end....

They  were sent here because of  affordable housing , a great number of  social service agencies  etc. 

I  asked why  Lorain when we have no  jobs even for  people without  a criminal  records because other communities won&#039;t accept  them  and although  they  don&#039;t specifically  target an area they  tell the inmates  where they  &quot;won&#039;t&quot; be accepted (  according to  the people I  interviewed)

 I  told the Bureau of  Com Sanc you  are setting these people up  to  fail  by  pointing them into  these communities  and quite frankly  we have some &quot;bad dudes&quot; being imported into  Lorain (  not good  for  them or  for  us) 

I  did go  into  more detail in my  other post but  I  suggest you look at the  &quot;family  watch  dog  site&quot;  overlay  those areas with  housing foreclosures and unemployment  and check  out  the Adult  Parole authority 
http://www.drc.state.oh.us/OffenderSearch/Search.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trying this  again.I  wrote a rather lengthy  post on the situation here in Lorain. We became a dumping ground through  a program  called &#8220;Independent Housing&#8221;( this  program pays  a non profit a contracted amount per night to  sleep  the released RSO&#8217;s (  it  was very  lucrative for  the non profit  involved)  through  the &#8220;Bureau  of Community  Sanctions&#8221; which  over sees  prisons releases among other aspects.  </p>
<p>We in Lorain city were receiving 10  RSO&#8217;s a day (  and please remember that being a RSO  is  usually  only &#8220;part&#8221; of  their record- these were not  people returning home but  being sent to  a community . After the 30 -90 days  that BCS paid  for their  housing was up  they  were left to  go  into  the neighborhoods, some ended up  homeless, some in shelters, some under the bridge and some back  in prison and some are in our  neighborhoods&#8230;. there are thousands being released from Ohio&#8217;s prisons due to  the mandatory  sentencing cycle coming to  an end&#8230;.</p>
<p>They  were sent here because of  affordable housing , a great number of  social service agencies  etc. </p>
<p>I  asked why  Lorain when we have no  jobs even for  people without  a criminal  records because other communities won&#8217;t accept  them  and although  they  don&#8217;t specifically  target an area they  tell the inmates  where they  &#8220;won&#8217;t&#8221; be accepted (  according to  the people I  interviewed)</p>
<p> I  told the Bureau of  Com Sanc you  are setting these people up  to  fail  by  pointing them into  these communities  and quite frankly  we have some &#8220;bad dudes&#8221; being imported into  Lorain (  not good  for  them or  for  us) </p>
<p>I  did go  into  more detail in my  other post but  I  suggest you look at the  &#8220;family  watch  dog  site&#8221;  overlay  those areas with  housing foreclosures and unemployment  and check  out  the Adult  Parole authority<br />
<a href="http://www.drc.state.oh.us/OffenderSearch/Search.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.drc.state.oh.us/OffenderSearch/Search.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Loraine Ritchey</title>
		<link>http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/12/03/ohios-prison-population-fear-takes-control-again/comment-page-1/#comment-174394</link>
		<dc:creator>Loraine Ritchey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This  topic is  really  really  difficult because Lorain/Elyria  became a dumping ground ..... a couple of years back  and because of  follow  up  through  the Adult  parole authority I  have been following this  particular situation and it is  still  happening.

You  can  access RSO&#039;s and we were getting 10 a day into  this  community  from the State with  a program called &quot;Independent Housing&quot; which  paid  a non profit  to  house them for  30  to  90  days  to  aclimate them into  the community (these were not  returning to  their  home town people.)

 Then when the time was up at the &quot;group  home&quot;  they  put  them out  on the street, some ended up  in shelters some in the cardboard box city near  the bridge, some ended up  involved in major drug busts and rapes (  all  in a year) ....these were the trackable.

 I  wrote many  articles and reports on this   at the time I  spoke to  the &quot;Bureau  of  Community  Sanctions&quot; a huge agency  that heads these programs asking why  are your  sending literally  hundreds of people into  this  community ..apparently  we  have the greatest number of  social    service  agency&#039;s and affordable housing  &lt;b&gt;BUT  we have no  jobs for  citizens  without  a criminal  record so  I  said  you  are setting them up  to  fail&lt;/b&gt;  that I  was told is  not  their  problem they  have served their  time  .......

.. and fail  they  have .too  long to  post here but  I  have been tracking  and  usually  with  the really  bad guys a RSO  is  only  part of  their  criminal  record ..... I  have seen the results and according to  the Bureau  there are thousands and thousands being released due to   the end of  mandatory  sentencing cycles coming to  an end....
check  out  your  county for  those on parole  
http://www.drc.state.oh.us/OffenderSearch/Search.aspx
 and check  out  family  watch dog  site  over lay  that with  the foreclosures and the unemployment stats for  your  community 
 
I  asked why Lorain was seen as  a suggested destination and was told (  even by  some of  the people with  various  records during interviews)  &quot;other communities that do  have employment opportunities won&#039;t accept them&quot;....
so  we have clustering  , no  jobs, and an aging population that quite frankly  is easy  pickins...5 houses down from my  mother  has now  housing 2 rapists)  robbery  and assault) , one drug dealer sexual  battery , 2 on parole.... and those are just the trackable........ and yes the house was broken into  for  the first time in 30  years  whilst they  went to the store....(  and no  I  am not  pointing fingers I  am just saying coincidence??? you  tell  me .......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This  topic is  really  really  difficult because Lorain/Elyria  became a dumping ground &#8230;.. a couple of years back  and because of  follow  up  through  the Adult  parole authority I  have been following this  particular situation and it is  still  happening.</p>
<p>You  can  access RSO&#8217;s and we were getting 10 a day into  this  community  from the State with  a program called &#8220;Independent Housing&#8221; which  paid  a non profit  to  house them for  30  to  90  days  to  aclimate them into  the community (these were not  returning to  their  home town people.)</p>
<p> Then when the time was up at the &#8220;group  home&#8221;  they  put  them out  on the street, some ended up  in shelters some in the cardboard box city near  the bridge, some ended up  involved in major drug busts and rapes (  all  in a year) &#8230;.these were the trackable.</p>
<p> I  wrote many  articles and reports on this   at the time I  spoke to  the &#8220;Bureau  of  Community  Sanctions&#8221; a huge agency  that heads these programs asking why  are your  sending literally  hundreds of people into  this  community ..apparently  we  have the greatest number of  social    service  agency&#8217;s and affordable housing  <b>BUT  we have no  jobs for  citizens  without  a criminal  record so  I  said  you  are setting them up  to  fail</b>  that I  was told is  not  their  problem they  have served their  time  &#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>.. and fail  they  have .too  long to  post here but  I  have been tracking  and  usually  with  the really  bad guys a RSO  is  only  part of  their  criminal  record &#8230;.. I  have seen the results and according to  the Bureau  there are thousands and thousands being released due to   the end of  mandatory  sentencing cycles coming to  an end&#8230;.<br />
check  out  your  county for  those on parole<br />
<a href="http://www.drc.state.oh.us/OffenderSearch/Search.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.drc.state.oh.us/OffenderSearch/Search.aspx</a><br />
 and check  out  family  watch dog  site  over lay  that with  the foreclosures and the unemployment stats for  your  community </p>
<p>I  asked why Lorain was seen as  a suggested destination and was told (  even by  some of  the people with  various  records during interviews)  &#8220;other communities that do  have employment opportunities won&#8217;t accept them&#8221;&#8230;.<br />
so  we have clustering  , no  jobs, and an aging population that quite frankly  is easy  pickins&#8230;5 houses down from my  mother  has now  housing 2 rapists)  robbery  and assault) , one drug dealer sexual  battery , 2 on parole&#8230;. and those are just the trackable&#8230;&#8230;.. and yes the house was broken into  for  the first time in 30  years  whilst they  went to the store&#8230;.(  and no  I  am not  pointing fingers I  am just saying coincidence??? you  tell  me &#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hess</title>
		<link>http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/2008/12/03/ohios-prison-population-fear-takes-control-again/comment-page-1/#comment-174373</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Hess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shalom Oengus,

It is precisely forgiveness that judges offer; the official forgiveness of a crime after the criminal has made full restitution by completing the judicial sentence.

At the end of that sentence, our laws say we&#039;re even.

Very early in her career, writer Marge Piercy  created a society where The Rule of Law said: two strikes and you&#039;re dead.

It worked like this.

Commit a crime and you were allowed to make restitution, promise to never commit another crime and return to society.

Commit a second crime and, having proven that your word was no good, you were deemed defective and promptly executed; the idea being that no criminal should be a cost burden to society.

I much prefer a system of Justice and Mercy to one driven solely by Justice.

B&#039;shalom,

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shalom Oengus,</p>
<p>It is precisely forgiveness that judges offer; the official forgiveness of a crime after the criminal has made full restitution by completing the judicial sentence.</p>
<p>At the end of that sentence, our laws say we&#8217;re even.</p>
<p>Very early in her career, writer Marge Piercy  created a society where The Rule of Law said: two strikes and you&#8217;re dead.</p>
<p>It worked like this.</p>
<p>Commit a crime and you were allowed to make restitution, promise to never commit another crime and return to society.</p>
<p>Commit a second crime and, having proven that your word was no good, you were deemed defective and promptly executed; the idea being that no criminal should be a cost burden to society.</p>
<p>I much prefer a system of Justice and Mercy to one driven solely by Justice.</p>
<p>B&#8217;shalom,</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: oengus</title>
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		<dc:creator>oengus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The focus needs to be on employment before the crime is committed.   If it is in fact the lack of opportunity that causes the criminal behavior then increased opportunity will reduce crime.  

What amazes me is that people cannot see the work that needs to be done.   

The problems with blankets of forgiveness is that of opportunity for the repeat offenders, that may capitalize on a venue you allowed them access to.   

Job codes, real ID cards and linked datasets.  Certain offenses obviously should exclude certain employment.   

I am not interested in any more secrets under the guise of privacy, part of selecting the best candidate pretty much excludes felons.  

I believe its the decadence and the flaunting of it that drives crime, I think the just recourse is offering more for less.   

Then you have this fortress of the liberal rich, that manipulate with so many words on so many pieces of paper.   

Victims offer forgiveness, not Judges.  Forgive and forget is a precursor to anarchy.  Get to the root of the problem.  That’s getting people to have some pride and dignity and too much self respect to subject themselves to prison and the life that follows incarcerations.  

You people are not good Sheppard’s, you tend to the flock on the edge of cliff.  You want to tie ropes to their legs and if they fall off you can drag them back.  I chase them into the valley and you lead them back to the cliff…why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The focus needs to be on employment before the crime is committed.   If it is in fact the lack of opportunity that causes the criminal behavior then increased opportunity will reduce crime.  </p>
<p>What amazes me is that people cannot see the work that needs to be done.   </p>
<p>The problems with blankets of forgiveness is that of opportunity for the repeat offenders, that may capitalize on a venue you allowed them access to.   </p>
<p>Job codes, real ID cards and linked datasets.  Certain offenses obviously should exclude certain employment.   </p>
<p>I am not interested in any more secrets under the guise of privacy, part of selecting the best candidate pretty much excludes felons.  </p>
<p>I believe its the decadence and the flaunting of it that drives crime, I think the just recourse is offering more for less.   </p>
<p>Then you have this fortress of the liberal rich, that manipulate with so many words on so many pieces of paper.   </p>
<p>Victims offer forgiveness, not Judges.  Forgive and forget is a precursor to anarchy.  Get to the root of the problem.  That’s getting people to have some pride and dignity and too much self respect to subject themselves to prison and the life that follows incarcerations.  </p>
<p>You people are not good Sheppard’s, you tend to the flock on the edge of cliff.  You want to tie ropes to their legs and if they fall off you can drag them back.  I chase them into the valley and you lead them back to the cliff…why?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Have Coffee Will Write &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MY COMMENTS&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Hess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shalom Jill,

That&#039;s true, you&#039;re absolutely correct.

The one glaring fact that destroys any idea that America is a Christian nation is the simple reality that we very rarely forgive our criminals, regardless of what society-mandated hoops they may jump through.

B&#039;shalom,

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shalom Jill,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s true, you&#8217;re absolutely correct.</p>
<p>The one glaring fact that destroys any idea that America is a Christian nation is the simple reality that we very rarely forgive our criminals, regardless of what society-mandated hoops they may jump through.</p>
<p>B&#8217;shalom,</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: oengus</title>
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		<dc:creator>oengus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The president is poised to release money, the smartest green is efficiency that being in housing.  Using less energy and then also in transportation, requiring less and using mass transit.   Its not wind mills not until everything else is efficient.   Reduce each node, that is you and me, its a household.   

He is calling for regionalism asking for each state to draw up a plan, then each state should ask for the same and in Ohio it should focus on regional efficiency.   In each region it breaks down to you and me and the household.   

That money needs to be used to create jobs, and those jobs need to create better neighborhoods that are highly efficient and well thought out.   The key is low cost housing without limits, the best for less.   The people that build and renovate the housing live in it and the surrounding commerce support it.   

You tell the high school students this is what we are doing and this is how you can get involved.  They then take ownership and the pride that prevents them from thoughts of crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The president is poised to release money, the smartest green is efficiency that being in housing.  Using less energy and then also in transportation, requiring less and using mass transit.   Its not wind mills not until everything else is efficient.   Reduce each node, that is you and me, its a household.   </p>
<p>He is calling for regionalism asking for each state to draw up a plan, then each state should ask for the same and in Ohio it should focus on regional efficiency.   In each region it breaks down to you and me and the household.   </p>
<p>That money needs to be used to create jobs, and those jobs need to create better neighborhoods that are highly efficient and well thought out.   The key is low cost housing without limits, the best for less.   The people that build and renovate the housing live in it and the surrounding commerce support it.   </p>
<p>You tell the high school students this is what we are doing and this is how you can get involved.  They then take ownership and the pride that prevents them from thoughts of crime.</p>
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		<title>By: oengus</title>
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		<dc:creator>oengus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jobs lots of them…a purpose.   Crime prevention, make thing safer, make thing either theft proof or monitored closely.   

A living wage is imperative, and those that fall below that lowest wage should be some how unable to manage, not do to lack of work do to lack of capability. 

If one third of the population has a household income between 25-50 thousand dollars then everything that is a necessity must be available to them.   For some to be able to get over 20 thousand a year is nearly impossible and to exist at that level your destined to fail.   

Somebody must own a calculator?  Twenty thousand is $9.00 an hour and most cannot attain it and if they do they cannot exist at that level.   If they do it is in squalor surrounded in blight.  

The result of a long chain of events, the question keeps being asked how do you change the last link?  

Housing is the largest necessity, it needs to be clean safe and affordable and exist in clean safe and affordable neighborhoods.   The lowest incomes produces no return, if you build housing and charge nearly nothing you never get that investment back.   

Building at a breakeven and finding the living wage will bring about fuller employment and reduce the need for housing that losses money.   

If it does not exist at the breakeven, if the price is not affordable to the majority at a break even then the market is outside of limits and needs to be adjusted.  

It’s demonstrated in the excesses, and a fallacy of need and those that exist beyond need.   If some cannot earn it if they cannot archive it, they will just take it.  

The lowest level of housing is prison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jobs lots of them…a purpose.   Crime prevention, make thing safer, make thing either theft proof or monitored closely.   </p>
<p>A living wage is imperative, and those that fall below that lowest wage should be some how unable to manage, not do to lack of work do to lack of capability. </p>
<p>If one third of the population has a household income between 25-50 thousand dollars then everything that is a necessity must be available to them.   For some to be able to get over 20 thousand a year is nearly impossible and to exist at that level your destined to fail.   </p>
<p>Somebody must own a calculator?  Twenty thousand is $9.00 an hour and most cannot attain it and if they do they cannot exist at that level.   If they do it is in squalor surrounded in blight.  </p>
<p>The result of a long chain of events, the question keeps being asked how do you change the last link?  </p>
<p>Housing is the largest necessity, it needs to be clean safe and affordable and exist in clean safe and affordable neighborhoods.   The lowest incomes produces no return, if you build housing and charge nearly nothing you never get that investment back.   </p>
<p>Building at a breakeven and finding the living wage will bring about fuller employment and reduce the need for housing that losses money.   </p>
<p>If it does not exist at the breakeven, if the price is not affordable to the majority at a break even then the market is outside of limits and needs to be adjusted.  </p>
<p>It’s demonstrated in the excesses, and a fallacy of need and those that exist beyond need.   If some cannot earn it if they cannot archive it, they will just take it.  </p>
<p>The lowest level of housing is prison.</p>
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