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	<title>Comments on: For-profit charter operators call Strickland cuts &#8220;crippling&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 20:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree completely.  Campaign finance laws are a disaster, seems to me they have been setup that way deliberately to protect the apparatus.  The record seems to indicate as much, too.

One idea I have always liked - which has a snowball&#039;s chance - is to completely get rid of corporate- and union cash, pacs, party-, caucus committees, etc. and establish a &quot;no dollar vote without a ballot vote&quot; principle.  Any individual can give in any amount to any candidate or issue organization, so long as that individual (contributor) is a qualified elector.  Immediate internet disclosure too.  Seems to me the simpler, the better - what could be more simple?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree completely.  Campaign finance laws are a disaster, seems to me they have been setup that way deliberately to protect the apparatus.  The record seems to indicate as much, too.</p>
<p>One idea I have always liked &#8211; which has a snowball&#8217;s chance &#8211; is to completely get rid of corporate- and union cash, pacs, party-, caucus committees, etc. and establish a &#8220;no dollar vote without a ballot vote&#8221; principle.  Any individual can give in any amount to any candidate or issue organization, so long as that individual (contributor) is a qualified elector.  Immediate internet disclosure too.  Seems to me the simpler, the better &#8211; what could be more simple?</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Miller Zimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Miller Zimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 19:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff - it&#039;s a conundrum - I won&#039;t deny that.  The only reason I don&#039;t pound on the unions about the money spent lobbying or giving to politicians is because I really don&#039;t know campaign finance law at this point - I can only say that sure, if someone were to reveal what percentage of a DOE budget that ends up with teachers then also ends up with unions that then also ends up with politicians, I would be interested to see that.

But this kind of thing is far easier to trace and track and see when we&#039;re talking about a for-profit entity that does take millions from its profits and gives it to politicians to get more gov&#039;t work/money and then complains about not getting enough money.

Then again - this ENTIRE issue about groups of any kind giving money of any number to politicians in order to be seen and heard is, in itself, a real perversion of democracy - we call it free speech or a way of participating in political speech, but that&#039;s really just a convenient excuse.

I do not know what the answer is - I have always been interested in public financing - but it&#039;s also chicken and egg: who said what first: I&#039;ll only hear you if you give me money?  OR If I give you money, will you hear me?

Again - I&#039;ve not studied this - I don&#039;t know.  But in general, I would like to believe that the fact that we 1) have a vote and 2) are supposed to be represented by these folks regardless of whether we voted for them or not and regardless of how much money we have is enough to make politicians do the right thing.

Obviously I also think I like in la la land. :)

Thanks for commenting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff &#8211; it&#8217;s a conundrum &#8211; I won&#8217;t deny that.  The only reason I don&#8217;t pound on the unions about the money spent lobbying or giving to politicians is because I really don&#8217;t know campaign finance law at this point &#8211; I can only say that sure, if someone were to reveal what percentage of a DOE budget that ends up with teachers then also ends up with unions that then also ends up with politicians, I would be interested to see that.</p>
<p>But this kind of thing is far easier to trace and track and see when we&#8217;re talking about a for-profit entity that does take millions from its profits and gives it to politicians to get more gov&#8217;t work/money and then complains about not getting enough money.</p>
<p>Then again &#8211; this ENTIRE issue about groups of any kind giving money of any number to politicians in order to be seen and heard is, in itself, a real perversion of democracy &#8211; we call it free speech or a way of participating in political speech, but that&#8217;s really just a convenient excuse.</p>
<p>I do not know what the answer is &#8211; I have always been interested in public financing &#8211; but it&#8217;s also chicken and egg: who said what first: I&#8217;ll only hear you if you give me money?  OR If I give you money, will you hear me?</p>
<p>Again &#8211; I&#8217;ve not studied this &#8211; I don&#8217;t know.  But in general, I would like to believe that the fact that we 1) have a vote and 2) are supposed to be represented by these folks regardless of whether we voted for them or not and regardless of how much money we have is enough to make politicians do the right thing.</p>
<p>Obviously I also think I like in la la land. <img src='http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for commenting.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 16:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill:

You make an excellent point.  Advocacy groups that spend gobs of money on lobbying are in no position to the objective observer to whine about government funding or perceived lack thereof.

That said, I note that public employee unions - including teachers&#039; unions - are among the most ubiquitous of special interest groups in Washington and state capitals across the country.  No?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill:</p>
<p>You make an excellent point.  Advocacy groups that spend gobs of money on lobbying are in no position to the objective observer to whine about government funding or perceived lack thereof.</p>
<p>That said, I note that public employee unions &#8211; including teachers&#8217; unions &#8211; are among the most ubiquitous of special interest groups in Washington and state capitals across the country.  No?</p>
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		<title>By: Anastasia P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anastasia P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m less interested in how many disadvantaged students they serve than in the results they get. I am tired of onerous requirements and sanctions placed on public school systems but not on these for-profit charters. In fact, I think that any for-profit charter that is in academic emergency or academic watch should be forced to forego their profit and to put ALL money they are given into education. I know, I know, how on earth would Josh Mandel fund his ravenous political ambitions...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m less interested in how many disadvantaged students they serve than in the results they get. I am tired of onerous requirements and sanctions placed on public school systems but not on these for-profit charters. In fact, I think that any for-profit charter that is in academic emergency or academic watch should be forced to forego their profit and to put ALL money they are given into education. I know, I know, how on earth would Josh Mandel fund his ravenous political ambitions&#8230;</p>
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