11 Responses to “Auditor Mary Taylor’s do as I say, not as I do”

1. 1 Political Outcast on February 16th, 2009 2:02 pm

   You’re just saying this so the Democrats have a better chance to win her job. Mary Taylor is not being handled, she is doing the same thing that Jim Petro, Ken Blackwell, and Betty Montgomery have done in the past – putting her ambitions aside for the good of the party and hold on to that seat so we can keep it for the AB.

   And I’m not going to even touch that Palin nonsense.

2. 2 Jill Miller Zimon on February 16th, 2009 2:10 pm

   You wrote, “You’re just saying this so the Democrats have a better chance to win her job.”

   You don’t read this blog very much, do you? Either that, or you are as delusional as the ORP’s leadership. But hey – whatev. Taylor is the best shot for the GOP to get that office, with or without Brunner sticking with it. As for telling Petro, Blackwell and Montgomery to sit, I don’t know what you’re talking about. They played musical chairs as often as they could – there were no open seats for them to try and get, unless you’re going back to when Voinovich first ran. Sherrod Brown knocked off DeWine – no one told him to wait for an open seat.

3. 3 Chuck Butcher on February 16th, 2009 5:46 pm

   Um, Jill?
   Let me see if I can get this straight, you’d like to see Taylor run because she’s a woman? Or because she’d be good for Ohio and the nation? Or so that the Republicans can quit being buttheads about virtually everything where women are concerned?

   I’ve voted for Republicans a couple times on pretty narrow issues, and boy was I sorry I’d done it as they went ahead and demostrated the rest of their agenda.

   As an Oregonian and an over 30yr ex-Ohioan I have no dog in this fight, I just haven’t been able to quite figure out Your dog in this fight.

   I support the idea of more women in politic, but to use the example of S Palin, I don’t want her loon brand of politics given any national authority, though if the Rs want to follow her lead, then the further thinnning of those kind of ranks pleases me no end.

   The problem is that I’m a strong supporter of the idea of a atrong responsible and credible opposition Party.

4. 4 Jill Miller Zimon on February 16th, 2009 5:53 pm

   I want to see Taylor run because

   1) I believe that as the only GOP statewide candidate who has won in the last three years, she’s the most viable for another statewide race both outright and in comparison to the others who want to run.

   2) I like to see her buck the party “sit down and wait your turn” – why on earth do the other candidates have more of a right in line than her? Why? She’s worked plenty and won plenty? What have they done? Lost the majority in the house side of the Ohio GA? Lost the state for McCain? Made up voter fraud cases that didn’t exist? Seriously – I don’t think Ohio GOPpers are too thrilled with them, but I am not in the best position to say.

   3) because she lends diversity to their ranks – yes – that includes being a woman.

   Personally – it doesn’t matter to me per se, the longer these attitudes persist in their party system, the longer it will be until women in the GOP are elevated and the more outnumbered they will be by Dem women. If that’s what they want, hey – whatev. But I would prefer to push to reach the critical mass of women that we do not have in this country and my preference is for women who have shown some level of competence. If the GOP doesn’t feel Mary has that level, that’s something else. Looks to me like she’s got it.

   But again – it’s not my party. I just think every spot on the spectrum should be diverse. That’s me.

5. 5 Political Outcast on February 16th, 2009 8:04 pm

   Well, I do read your blog, and I’m pretty confident in my assessment of this post.

   You also forget that in 1998, Blackwell wanted to run for governor, but OHGOP Chair Bennett talked him into the SoS seat, which he ran for and won. In ‘06, they tried to talk him into running for re-election and Montgomery into the AG office while Petro (our strongest candidate) ran. Instead, they all lost.

   If she runs, great. She, along with Josh Mandel, are rising stars in the state. But there is nothing that says she’s better than Portman; most polls have them both getting 26-28% against any of the Democratic challengers.

   The fact is, 2010 is not ‘98 or ‘06. This state is unfortunately trending Democrat and she is our strongest chance to get the AB back, since she will a very good chance to win re-election.

6. 6 Jill Miller Zimon on February 16th, 2009 8:29 pm

   I don’t want to be disrespectful – I want to have a debate. So – let me say this, ok?

   1. I definitely didn’t know a thing about the OH GOP in 1998. I could give you a zillion excuses but the fact is that I was undergoing genetic testing for having the breast cancer gene (I don’t) while trying to decide if I’d try to conceive a third child, we were looking for a house and I had two kids under five and was working full-time as a lawyer/social worker. Which is to say – I didn’t follow politics at.all. Ken Blackwell was not only not on my radar – if someone asked me if I knew who he was, I’d have said, nope. Clearly, you know more on this historical piece than me – so I will trust you there.

   2. Saying in the same sentence that Taylor and Mandel are “rising stars” is a huge put down of Taylor if you’re equating them with each other.

   In terms of political elected office, Mandel has been in the GA barely two years and served as a Lyndhurst city council member before that (starting in 2004 – elected in 2003).

   When Mandel was starting the Lyndhurst role, Taylor was already seeking her second term in the Ohio statehouse (and was a city council member (Green) before that). She then won statewide for auditor in 2006, when no other statewide Republican won.

   Taylor also has a CPA – Mandel has not taken the bar (to the best of my knowledge).

   I really don’t see how they’re comparable in the least. And, I’ve written before – calling someone a rising star is a death knell and invitation to a fall. Yes, I’m very superstitious.

   3) Are you that unsure of the bench the GOP has that you don’t think anyone else could win the auditor role? Now, seriously, you seem to like logic – so think about what you’re saying:

   You think you have people who can win statewide, like a Portman, but you fear there is no one who could win the auditor role? See – that makes no sense. Why not run Portman for auditor – he was, after all, with the OMB? And run Taylor for Senate. Or make Husted or Kasich or DeWine or Coughlin run for her role? “Being in line” and the fact that she won statewide in 2006 would argue, based on logic, that SHE be the one at the top of the ticket – not these other minor players who’ve not run or won statewide.

   Finally, when you write, “But there is nothing that says she’s better than Portman; most polls have them both getting 26-28% against any of the Democratic challengers.” – come on – you may feel you have to say that, but you know I’m not going to buy that, 20 mos. out. Means very very little.

   Anyway – that’s obviously how I see it. And only worth…well – lol – not all that much.

7. 7 Chuck Butcher on February 16th, 2009 8:30 pm

   “unfortunately trending Democratic”
   Maybe the way you do things and their outcomes has a lot more to do with it than fortune? Maybe you’ve really earned an asskicking with not only your ideology but the way you express it? Well, as long as you are the party of taxcuts at all costs, theocracy, and ignorance I have no problem with you being irrelevant. The irrelavance of the Confederate Party of Republican Plutocracy is meaningless to me, the lack of a real responsible opposition party isn’t.

   You guys really suck and there are other models but if you think louder and more of the same is the ticket, then you deserve what you get.

8. 8 Chuck Butcher on February 16th, 2009 9:19 pm

   Jill,
   If something were to improve the actuallity of the Republican Party, I’d be for it. I really doubt they’re willing to give up the current model, and given the importance they’ve given the Religious Right going Goldwater isn’t going to happen without near suicide. I honestly think that marriage has gone past being tenable and they’ll split after some more disasters. Who gets to keep the name is probably open to question, money will tell is my bet.

   It really is laughable to see Licoln replaced by Reagan, but it’s their game not mine. I could disagree with Goldwater pretty fundamentally and still respect him, this bunch is another story.

9. 9 Political Outcast on February 16th, 2009 10:17 pm

   I will grant you that “rising star” may not be an appropriate label for Taylor, but that is beside the point. This is about 2010 and I would rather have a known name protect our chances at redistricting that starting from scratch with all three of the offices.

10. 10 Brunner vs. Fisher is the best thing ever « Political Outcast on February 18th, 2009 2:17 am

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11. 11 king on March 3rd, 2009 5:20 pm

    Jill,

    I have to agree with Political Outcast to an extent. Mary Taylor belongs right where she is at. She does a great jon and serves Ohio best right where she is at – at least for now. For me this has nothing to do with her being a women.

    No offense intended – but I think this might be one of your “I am Woman” posts. LOL With the sad state of the ORP – man or woman should make no difference. A blind, three-legged hunting dog with one ear would be aan improvement over the leadership we have now.

    As for Voinovich’s seat… I doubt she would go against Portman in a primary race. Most likely, even as bad as Brunner and Fisher are, Portman will most likely lose that election. It would be best for Mary to sit tight and wait this one out. Same goes with Rev. Ted – as poor a Governor that he is, most likely he will be reelected.

    I too like Mary because she is willing to buck the system. AS for as doing what is best for the party, because the ORP asks, well the ORP under Bennett, and I’m sure DeWine will continue the trend, has a known history of lying and making financial promises to candidates that never materialize.

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