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	<title>Comments on: ODP blogger outreach conference call: Kevin Boyce &amp; pre-primary endorsements</title>
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		<title>By: Chuck Butcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Butcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle,
Jill&#039;s your person on that, I&#039;m an Oregonian without skin in this - well other than Democratic.  My point is that there is a difference between legislators and Party officials in regard to what they actually do and the rules regarding it, so questions  need to start with knowing the rules the Party is operating under.

A few days ago I skinned somebody here for holding a resentment due to a complete lack of understanding of DNC rules, taken whole cloth from a candidate&#039;s perspective rather than the actual rules.  I know my State Party (DPO) rules and a good chunk of DNC rules, but I&#039;m a County Chair and State Delegate along with some Caucus offices and as a former US House Primary candidate I know when people are way off base.  Asking questions of a Chair that are to the point and cognizant of the rules they operate under should cause no grief.  I&#039;m sure ODP rules are available on-line and you really don&#039;t have to memorize rules, just understand them.

I&#039;ll give an example, asking our Chair why the DPO isn&#039;t backing incumbent &quot;X&quot; in a challenged primary gets the answer, &quot;It&#039;s against the rules,&quot; and that&#039;s OK but people don&#039;t want it to be against the rules and want to exlore other reasons and the Chair isn&#039;t going to be happy, because it is simply against the rules.

I cannot speak to the RNC &amp; associated state parties, but being a Dem chair means one of the jobs is to be the public face of the Party and all D pols don&#039;t fit together real well on some hot topics, so the Chair&#039;s job is pretty complex and most Chairs do not find it in Party interest to criticixe a fellow (D) pol, even in the face of some Party stated resolutions.  Our Chair wouldn&#039;t be adverse to fielding Q&#039;s from a Republican, in fact showing the differences is her job, but stupid question just won&#039;t work, regardless of the affiliation behind them.  Being stupidly partisan will guarantee a lack of access.

Personally, I&#039;d encourage you to pursue getting access.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle,<br />
Jill&#8217;s your person on that, I&#8217;m an Oregonian without skin in this &#8211; well other than Democratic.  My point is that there is a difference between legislators and Party officials in regard to what they actually do and the rules regarding it, so questions  need to start with knowing the rules the Party is operating under.</p>
<p>A few days ago I skinned somebody here for holding a resentment due to a complete lack of understanding of DNC rules, taken whole cloth from a candidate&#8217;s perspective rather than the actual rules.  I know my State Party (DPO) rules and a good chunk of DNC rules, but I&#8217;m a County Chair and State Delegate along with some Caucus offices and as a former US House Primary candidate I know when people are way off base.  Asking questions of a Chair that are to the point and cognizant of the rules they operate under should cause no grief.  I&#8217;m sure ODP rules are available on-line and you really don&#8217;t have to memorize rules, just understand them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll give an example, asking our Chair why the DPO isn&#8217;t backing incumbent &#8220;X&#8221; in a challenged primary gets the answer, &#8220;It&#8217;s against the rules,&#8221; and that&#8217;s OK but people don&#8217;t want it to be against the rules and want to exlore other reasons and the Chair isn&#8217;t going to be happy, because it is simply against the rules.</p>
<p>I cannot speak to the RNC &amp; associated state parties, but being a Dem chair means one of the jobs is to be the public face of the Party and all D pols don&#8217;t fit together real well on some hot topics, so the Chair&#8217;s job is pretty complex and most Chairs do not find it in Party interest to criticixe a fellow (D) pol, even in the face of some Party stated resolutions.  Our Chair wouldn&#8217;t be adverse to fielding Q&#8217;s from a Republican, in fact showing the differences is her job, but stupid question just won&#8217;t work, regardless of the affiliation behind them.  Being stupidly partisan will guarantee a lack of access.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;d encourage you to pursue getting access.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Miller Zimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Miller Zimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 00:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle - I&#039;d be more than happy to ask your question - assuming that is that they invite me onto another call. ;)  Given how the last one went, I make no promises!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle &#8211; I&#8217;d be more than happy to ask your question &#8211; assuming that is that they invite me onto another call. <img src='http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   Given how the last one went, I make no promises!</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Sisk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle Sisk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck,

Thanks for the heads-up.  I am definitely a GOPer, but as anyone who reads my blog regularly can attest, I am an equal opportunity type of guy.  

I have been kicking Kasich in the a$$ as much as I have been kicking Strickland in the a$$.  Basically, if I see something that I think is bull then I write about it whether it is a dem or a republican.  If it is not appropriate for me to be on the call that is fine with me.  

In that case my question would be this:  

If you see merit in my question(s) for Mr. Redfern will you or Jill ask the question(s) for me and let me know what his answers are afterwards?  Thanks!  Kyle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck,</p>
<p>Thanks for the heads-up.  I am definitely a GOPer, but as anyone who reads my blog regularly can attest, I am an equal opportunity type of guy.  </p>
<p>I have been kicking Kasich in the a$$ as much as I have been kicking Strickland in the a$$.  Basically, if I see something that I think is bull then I write about it whether it is a dem or a republican.  If it is not appropriate for me to be on the call that is fine with me.  </p>
<p>In that case my question would be this:  </p>
<p>If you see merit in my question(s) for Mr. Redfern will you or Jill ask the question(s) for me and let me know what his answers are afterwards?  Thanks!  Kyle</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Butcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Butcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If, as an opposition party member, you intend to ask questions - it would be reeeallly smart to bone up on the Party rules and processes before sticking your head into a, by definition, partisan operation.  Our, OR, state chairwoman likes to talk, she also doesn&#039;t have a lot of patience with ignorance - especially partisan ignorance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If, as an opposition party member, you intend to ask questions &#8211; it would be reeeallly smart to bone up on the Party rules and processes before sticking your head into a, by definition, partisan operation.  Our, OR, state chairwoman likes to talk, she also doesn&#8217;t have a lot of patience with ignorance &#8211; especially partisan ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Miller Zimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Miller Zimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if I haven&#039;t cooked my own goose at this point, and they&#039;re actually inviting us onto a call - knowing what they already know is the range of what us more left of center bloggers write?  I can&#039;t see how they would turn you down but obviously I can&#039;t speak for them. 

FWIW, I&#039;ve tried to be in touch with John McClelland over the years, more than a few times, and he NEVER ever responded to me - not even once.  It&#039;s been a while though. On the other hand, Carlo LoParo and I had a very nice and frequent back and forth with a few touchés here and there even though we knew where we stood - I think it helped both of us make our arguments stronger (also been a while since we were in contact though).

You are certainly more of a known quantity, right (though I wasn&#039;t familiar with your name at all until doing some googling)?  I&#039;d say give it a try - it&#039;s REALLY hard to imagine that you could do anything much worse that we might. :)  Redfern or whomever can always say they&#039;re not going to answer something.

If I were you, I&#039;d email Todd Hoffman, Redfern and maybe even Doug Kelly - for sure, email and cc someone - even me, just for the record, you know? Wouldn&#039;t want someone to say they never got the request. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if I haven&#8217;t cooked my own goose at this point, and they&#8217;re actually inviting us onto a call &#8211; knowing what they already know is the range of what us more left of center bloggers write?  I can&#8217;t see how they would turn you down but obviously I can&#8217;t speak for them. </p>
<p>FWIW, I&#8217;ve tried to be in touch with John McClelland over the years, more than a few times, and he NEVER ever responded to me &#8211; not even once.  It&#8217;s been a while though. On the other hand, Carlo LoParo and I had a very nice and frequent back and forth with a few touchés here and there even though we knew where we stood &#8211; I think it helped both of us make our arguments stronger (also been a while since we were in contact though).</p>
<p>You are certainly more of a known quantity, right (though I wasn&#8217;t familiar with your name at all until doing some googling)?  I&#8217;d say give it a try &#8211; it&#8217;s REALLY hard to imagine that you could do anything much worse that we might. <img src='http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Redfern or whomever can always say they&#8217;re not going to answer something.</p>
<p>If I were you, I&#8217;d email Todd Hoffman, Redfern and maybe even Doug Kelly &#8211; for sure, email and cc someone &#8211; even me, just for the record, you know? Wouldn&#8217;t want someone to say they never got the request. <img src='http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Sisk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle Sisk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill,

Any chance &quot;the Chairman&quot; would let a fiscally conservative, socially moderate GOP blogger on the next call?

Kyle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill,</p>
<p>Any chance &#8220;the Chairman&#8221; would let a fiscally conservative, socially moderate GOP blogger on the next call?</p>
<p>Kyle</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take the pledge!  Sign the petition!

http://www.plunderbund.com/2009/02/20/what-if-no-senate-2010-candidate-sought-the-odp-endorsement/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take the pledge!  Sign the petition!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.plunderbund.com/2009/02/20/what-if-no-senate-2010-candidate-sought-the-odp-endorsement/" rel="nofollow">http://www.plunderbund.com/2009/02/20/what-if-no-senate-2010-candidate-sought-the-odp-endorsement/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, you did not read that correctly-I am the one who did not know of Boyce nor have I met him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you did not read that correctly-I am the one who did not know of Boyce nor have I met him.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich in medina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich in medina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am amused that he makes a quip about Mandel being an unknown, but his own guy, the dem in office, he did not know of until the appointment, nor has met him.  Did I read that right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am amused that he makes a quip about Mandel being an unknown, but his own guy, the dem in office, he did not know of until the appointment, nor has met him.  Did I read that right?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Jack Williamson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Jack Williamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and, what office do I suggest Husted seek if he isn&#039;t content with being a state senator, and wants to go one step higher on the ladder?  I think he should run for Kilroy&#039;s congressional seat.  I&#039;d support him against Kilroy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and, what office do I suggest Husted seek if he isn&#8217;t content with being a state senator, and wants to go one step higher on the ladder?  I think he should run for Kilroy&#8217;s congressional seat.  I&#8217;d support him against Kilroy.</p>
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