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		<title>By: Anastasia P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anastasia P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem, Paul, is not convincing readers their online content is valuable: it&#039;s MAKING it valuable. When I have to dig through what seems like endless sports stories and updates, featured so prominently as to crowd everything else out, that&#039;s not content it&#039;s worth my time to access, except for the current temperature. The PD seems to hide everything except sports and a half dozen current headlines on its website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem, Paul, is not convincing readers their online content is valuable: it&#8217;s MAKING it valuable. When I have to dig through what seems like endless sports stories and updates, featured so prominently as to crowd everything else out, that&#8217;s not content it&#8217;s worth my time to access, except for the current temperature. The PD seems to hide everything except sports and a half dozen current headlines on its website.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The PD has revenue problems and its in trouble; although its demise is perhpas not imminent.  Circulation is down, classified advertising is down (look at the Sunday homes section for example), and advertising is on the wane.  They need to do something different.  Could they attach advertising to online stories that are printed, and charge more for that (if its been printed then you know its more likely to have been read), charge for subscriptions to premium content, start a wiki section in metro?  I don&#039;t miss my old typewriter,  and I don&#039;t miss newsprint either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PD has revenue problems and its in trouble; although its demise is perhpas not imminent.  Circulation is down, classified advertising is down (look at the Sunday homes section for example), and advertising is on the wane.  They need to do something different.  Could they attach advertising to online stories that are printed, and charge more for that (if its been printed then you know its more likely to have been read), charge for subscriptions to premium content, start a wiki section in metro?  I don&#8217;t miss my old typewriter,  and I don&#8217;t miss newsprint either.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve FitzGerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve FitzGerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most newspapers have done a terrible job of embracing then migrating in timely fashion to online, and that&#039;s a shame for their readers and investors.

Naaah, I take that back.  Worse than terrible... horrific, hyper-horrific, terribly worse than that, whatever word that is.

Wait... the word &quot;negligence&quot; is coming to mind.

Steve FitzGerald
Immediate Past President
Society of Professional Journalists Cleveland Pro Chapter
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most newspapers have done a terrible job of embracing then migrating in timely fashion to online, and that&#8217;s a shame for their readers and investors.</p>
<p>Naaah, I take that back.  Worse than terrible&#8230; horrific, hyper-horrific, terribly worse than that, whatever word that is.</p>
<p>Wait&#8230; the word &#8220;negligence&#8221; is coming to mind.</p>
<p>Steve FitzGerald<br />
Immediate Past President<br />
Society of Professional Journalists Cleveland Pro Chapter<br />
<a href="mailto:steve@lakewoodbuzz.com">steve@lakewoodbuzz.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Hess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shalom Jill,

This is the comment I left over at &lt;a href=&quot;http://bloggerinterrupted.com/2009/03/pds-egger-protesteth-way-too-much-pd-death-sources-inside-pd-parent#comment-14291&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Blogger Interrupted&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; this morning:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Shalom Tim,

Any PD employee not desperately scrambling to find another job, another career, is delusional. The fat lady is on the high note.

Egger’s either lying or out of the loop.

He dare not speak the truth lest his remaining staff evaporate over night before he, and the rest of management, have time to loot the PD carcass before leaving town.

For a good examples of what this looks like, just review &lt;a href=&quot;http://havecoffeewillwrite.com/?p=11313&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;the Jon Stewart fisking of CNBC.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

B’shalom,

Jeff

p.s. @paul, i was part of byron scott&#039;s first ohio university videotext class with compuserve in &#039;81. ah the good ole days of pounding out copy at 300 baud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shalom Jill,</p>
<p>This is the comment I left over at <a href="http://bloggerinterrupted.com/2009/03/pds-egger-protesteth-way-too-much-pd-death-sources-inside-pd-parent#comment-14291" rel="nofollow"><b><i>Blogger Interrupted</i></b></a> this morning:</p>
<blockquote><p>Shalom Tim,</p>
<p>Any PD employee not desperately scrambling to find another job, another career, is delusional. The fat lady is on the high note.</p>
<p>Egger’s either lying or out of the loop.</p>
<p>He dare not speak the truth lest his remaining staff evaporate over night before he, and the rest of management, have time to loot the PD carcass before leaving town.</p>
<p>For a good examples of what this looks like, just review <a href="http://havecoffeewillwrite.com/?p=11313" rel="nofollow"><b>the Jon Stewart fisking of CNBC.</b></a></p></blockquote>
<p>B’shalom,</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
<p>p.s. @paul, i was part of byron scott&#8217;s first ohio university videotext class with compuserve in &#8217;81. ah the good ole days of pounding out copy at 300 baud.</p>
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		<title>By: Loraine Ritchey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loraine Ritchey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Press Uk as other countries adhere to  a Press Council (  I  believe only  one state in the US has anything similar)  whereas other countries have Press Councils http://www.encyclo.co.uk/define/Press%20Council

THE INQUIRY 
Gerry McCann is the latest witness to appear before the House of Commons Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee during their investigation into &quot;press standards, privacy and libel&quot;. 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7935156.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Press Uk as other countries adhere to  a Press Council (  I  believe only  one state in the US has anything similar)  whereas other countries have Press Councils <a href="http://www.encyclo.co.uk/define/Press%20Council" rel="nofollow">http://www.encyclo.co.uk/define/Press%20Council</a></p>
<p>THE INQUIRY<br />
Gerry McCann is the latest witness to appear before the House of Commons Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee during their investigation into &#8220;press standards, privacy and libel&#8221;. </p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7935156.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7935156.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Loraine Ritchey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loraine Ritchey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have written many  &quot;opinion&quot; pieces about  the media and blogging and fact checking one of  which  &quot;Notorious  Opponents of  Exactitude&quot; can be found here
http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/notorious-opponents-of-exactitude/
and if  you  follow the links linking back  to  various  on line media  articles you  will  see some have disappeared(PD especially)  (  so now I always  copy  and paste in Word for  future reference).

 Sometimes  that has been very  beneficial  as  when Ex Mayor Foltin (Lorain)  wrote a blog  piece for  the PD where he made an erroneous statement with  regard to  the sale  of Ford Plant in Lorain.... I called him on it  and looked like a fool as the original blog was &quot;changed&quot; and the statement  had disappeared .. luckily  I had copied the original and thereby had proof.......... 

It is  very  difficult  to  cut  the wheat from the chaff in the best of times  and relying on integrity can be a dangerous thing..... I try  to  rely  on &quot;lack of  agenda&quot;

Another a  thought  crossed my  mind a few days  ago  when ITV (  UK)  is downsizing and cutting programs....they  said  their  main competition for  ad revenue  was Google..... I  asked some of  my  &quot;circle of  7  or  10 readers&quot; (depending how  you  count your  stats) :) do  they  ever pay  attention to  the ads.... not  one said  yes (  as  I  never do  ) ....hmmmmmm are advertisers being led down a rose tinted garden path ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have written many  &#8220;opinion&#8221; pieces about  the media and blogging and fact checking one of  which  &#8220;Notorious  Opponents of  Exactitude&#8221; can be found here<br />
<a href="http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/notorious-opponents-of-exactitude/" rel="nofollow">http://thatwoman.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/notorious-opponents-of-exactitude/</a><br />
and if  you  follow the links linking back  to  various  on line media  articles you  will  see some have disappeared(PD especially)  (  so now I always  copy  and paste in Word for  future reference).</p>
<p> Sometimes  that has been very  beneficial  as  when Ex Mayor Foltin (Lorain)  wrote a blog  piece for  the PD where he made an erroneous statement with  regard to  the sale  of Ford Plant in Lorain&#8230;. I called him on it  and looked like a fool as the original blog was &#8220;changed&#8221; and the statement  had disappeared .. luckily  I had copied the original and thereby had proof&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. </p>
<p>It is  very  difficult  to  cut  the wheat from the chaff in the best of times  and relying on integrity can be a dangerous thing&#8230;.. I try  to  rely  on &#8220;lack of  agenda&#8221;</p>
<p>Another a  thought  crossed my  mind a few days  ago  when ITV (  UK)  is downsizing and cutting programs&#8230;.they  said  their  main competition for  ad revenue  was Google&#8230;.. I  asked some of  my  &#8220;circle of  7  or  10 readers&#8221; (depending how  you  count your  stats) <img src='http://www.writeslikeshetalks.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  do  they  ever pay  attention to  the ads&#8230;. not  one said  yes (  as  I  never do  ) &#8230;.hmmmmmm are advertisers being led down a rose tinted garden path ?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To my knowledge, the first publication of a newspaper online was in the early 1980s when the Columbus Dispatch made its content available through CompuServe, my employer for nearly 30 years. Soon thereafter, the printers union for the Minneapolis Star (which joined the Dispatch on our service) demanded provisions in their collective bargaining agreement that protected jobs in what they (correctly) perceived as the inevitable shift to digital media. It isn&#039;t as though all this sneaked up on the newspaper industry last month.

It seems to me that the real challenge for the newspaper industry isn&#039;t the format conversation from paper to digital, but rather how they are going to convince the public that their content is valuable.

You, I and millions of others post a flurry of content which attract a mixture of steady readers and occasional passers-by. Over time, we can try to develop a &#039;brand&#039; that is known to be trustworthy. We cite sources appropriately, and try to make sure it is clear what is fact and what is opinion.

The newspapers should have this brand game down in spades. I read stories from the online version of the NYT because I have a high degree of trust in their journalistic integrity. That&#039;s not a function of the medium - it&#039;s a matter of, well, integrity.

So the problem is, I think, that some newspapers, as their revenue falls, have made the choice to further compromise the journalistic standards, by reducing their staffs of editors, fact checkers, etc. They don&#039;t get that their revenue is falling not so much because of the media shift, but rather because their brand was never really that strong in the first place. Crap is crap, whether on paper or pixels. They want to blame the digital world for blowing up their revenue model, as though the digital world can&#039;t accommodate an advertising-based revenue model (Google would disagree). Such publishers are not going to recover by further reducing their quality.

What the internet has really changed is the competitive environment. If you are a paper that merely publishes the AP feed, and local junk, I don&#039;t have to subscribe to your paper any longer to read the AP stuff - I have other sources than the paper on my front porch. I&#039;ll go the NYT and get not only the AP feed, but also some pretty good &#039;branded&#039; news and analysis.

We said at CompuServe 20 years ago that &quot;it&#039;s the content, stupid.&quot;  It&#039;s still true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To my knowledge, the first publication of a newspaper online was in the early 1980s when the Columbus Dispatch made its content available through CompuServe, my employer for nearly 30 years. Soon thereafter, the printers union for the Minneapolis Star (which joined the Dispatch on our service) demanded provisions in their collective bargaining agreement that protected jobs in what they (correctly) perceived as the inevitable shift to digital media. It isn&#8217;t as though all this sneaked up on the newspaper industry last month.</p>
<p>It seems to me that the real challenge for the newspaper industry isn&#8217;t the format conversation from paper to digital, but rather how they are going to convince the public that their content is valuable.</p>
<p>You, I and millions of others post a flurry of content which attract a mixture of steady readers and occasional passers-by. Over time, we can try to develop a &#8216;brand&#8217; that is known to be trustworthy. We cite sources appropriately, and try to make sure it is clear what is fact and what is opinion.</p>
<p>The newspapers should have this brand game down in spades. I read stories from the online version of the NYT because I have a high degree of trust in their journalistic integrity. That&#8217;s not a function of the medium &#8211; it&#8217;s a matter of, well, integrity.</p>
<p>So the problem is, I think, that some newspapers, as their revenue falls, have made the choice to further compromise the journalistic standards, by reducing their staffs of editors, fact checkers, etc. They don&#8217;t get that their revenue is falling not so much because of the media shift, but rather because their brand was never really that strong in the first place. Crap is crap, whether on paper or pixels. They want to blame the digital world for blowing up their revenue model, as though the digital world can&#8217;t accommodate an advertising-based revenue model (Google would disagree). Such publishers are not going to recover by further reducing their quality.</p>
<p>What the internet has really changed is the competitive environment. If you are a paper that merely publishes the AP feed, and local junk, I don&#8217;t have to subscribe to your paper any longer to read the AP stuff &#8211; I have other sources than the paper on my front porch. I&#8217;ll go the NYT and get not only the AP feed, but also some pretty good &#8216;branded&#8217; news and analysis.</p>
<p>We said at CompuServe 20 years ago that &#8220;it&#8217;s the content, stupid.&#8221;  It&#8217;s still true.</p>
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