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		<title>By: Jill Miller Zimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Miller Zimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to say I can understand, but I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s really fair.  Thanks for the quote.  I haven&#039;t read the book again since high school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to say I can understand, but I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s really fair.  Thanks for the quote.  I haven&#8217;t read the book again since high school.</p>
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		<title>By: Have Coffee Will Write &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MY COMMENTS&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 11:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Hess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 11:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shalom Jill,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I was always embarrassed by the words sacred, glorious, and sacrifice and the expression in vain. We had heard them, sometimes standing in the rain almost out of earshot, so that only the shouted words came through, and had read them on proclamations...and I had seen nothing sacred, and the things that were glorious had no glory and the sacrifices were like the stockyards at Chicago if nothing was done with the meat except to bury it.

There were many words that you could not stand to hear and finally only the names of places had dignity...Abstract words such as glory, honor, courage, or hallow were obscene besides the concrete names of villages, the numbers of roads, the names of rivers, the numbers of regiments and the dates.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

From &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.powells.com/biblio/62-9780684837888-0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;A Farewell To Arms&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Ernest Hemingway. Via &lt;a href=&quot;http://ajliebling.blogspot.com/2009/05/memorial-day.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Connect The Dots...&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

B&#039;shalom,

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shalom Jill,</p>
<blockquote><p>I was always embarrassed by the words sacred, glorious, and sacrifice and the expression in vain. We had heard them, sometimes standing in the rain almost out of earshot, so that only the shouted words came through, and had read them on proclamations&#8230;and I had seen nothing sacred, and the things that were glorious had no glory and the sacrifices were like the stockyards at Chicago if nothing was done with the meat except to bury it.</p>
<p>There were many words that you could not stand to hear and finally only the names of places had dignity&#8230;Abstract words such as glory, honor, courage, or hallow were obscene besides the concrete names of villages, the numbers of roads, the names of rivers, the numbers of regiments and the dates.</p></blockquote>
<p>From <a href="http://www.powells.com/biblio/62-9780684837888-0" rel="nofollow"><em><strong>A Farewell To Arms</strong></em></a> by Ernest Hemingway. Via <a href="http://ajliebling.blogspot.com/2009/05/memorial-day.html" rel="nofollow"><em><strong>Connect The Dots&#8230;</strong></em></a></p>
<p>B&#8217;shalom,</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Miller Zimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Miller Zimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 00:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Midwestwife - thanks for reading and leaving a comment. I&#039;m sure you&#039;re right about how some proportion of combat vets feel that way. I immediately think of Holocaust survivors and how some cannot stop talking about it, and want people to never forget, while others are completely unable to talk about. People are different, feel differently, think about these experiences differently.

Nevertheless, from the perspective that I think Sullivan took - which is that of the individuals who have no first-hand experience in combat or the military, finding books, finding those who are willing to talk or who are already out there talking might be worth engaging.  I didn&#039;t read what she wrote as suggesting we accost folks or anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Midwestwife &#8211; thanks for reading and leaving a comment. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re right about how some proportion of combat vets feel that way. I immediately think of Holocaust survivors and how some cannot stop talking about it, and want people to never forget, while others are completely unable to talk about. People are different, feel differently, think about these experiences differently.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, from the perspective that I think Sullivan took &#8211; which is that of the individuals who have no first-hand experience in combat or the military, finding books, finding those who are willing to talk or who are already out there talking might be worth engaging.  I didn&#8217;t read what she wrote as suggesting we accost folks or anything.</p>
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		<title>By: midwestwife</title>
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		<dc:creator>midwestwife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 21:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I respect Betsy Sullivan and her family&#039;s service, but she does not speak for all vets and their family members. 

I have family members and friends who were combat veterans, some of them highly decorated, and none of them want to even discuss their service. Some were drafted. Some volunteered.Their service was hard and traumatic. They did what they were sent to do, often heroically, and they came home and hoped that they could get on with their lives. Nobody spit on them. Nobody criticized them. But they went through hell, and the adjustment back into calm American family life was difficult. Some of them made the adjustment. Others didn&#039;t. But none of the ones I know thought that a parade when they came home would have made a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respect Betsy Sullivan and her family&#8217;s service, but she does not speak for all vets and their family members. </p>
<p>I have family members and friends who were combat veterans, some of them highly decorated, and none of them want to even discuss their service. Some were drafted. Some volunteered.Their service was hard and traumatic. They did what they were sent to do, often heroically, and they came home and hoped that they could get on with their lives. Nobody spit on them. Nobody criticized them. But they went through hell, and the adjustment back into calm American family life was difficult. Some of them made the adjustment. Others didn&#8217;t. But none of the ones I know thought that a parade when they came home would have made a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Miller Zimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Miller Zimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 03:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff - thanks for the recommendation. I&#039;ve heard of his work too, I want to say I may even have read some a while back.  Will take a look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff &#8211; thanks for the recommendation. I&#8217;ve heard of his work too, I want to say I may even have read some a while back.  Will take a look.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Miller Zimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Miller Zimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 03:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Chuck.  I understand what you&#039;re saying and appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Chuck.  I understand what you&#8217;re saying and appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Jack Williamson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Jack Williamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 17:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A suggestion:

You could have a conversation with your state rep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A suggestion:</p>
<p>You could have a conversation with your state rep.</p>
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		<title>By: Have Coffee Will Write &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MY COMMENTS&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 17:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Hess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 17:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shalom Jill,

I&#039;ll echo Chuck&#039;s sentiments.

You can&#039;t describe the scent of a rose if you&#039;ve never smelled one.

Having said that, I also agree with his suggestion to read, read, read.

I highly recommend the works of Stephen Ambrose. I recently finished &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.powells.com/biblio/16-9780743223096-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Wild Blue&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, the story of the men who flew the B-24s in WW II.

I have a friend who was a B-24 tail gunner. I&#039;ll never look at the man the same way again.

B&#039;shalom,

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shalom Jill,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll echo Chuck&#8217;s sentiments.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t describe the scent of a rose if you&#8217;ve never smelled one.</p>
<p>Having said that, I also agree with his suggestion to read, read, read.</p>
<p>I highly recommend the works of Stephen Ambrose. I recently finished <a href="http://www.powells.com/biblio/16-9780743223096-1" rel="nofollow"><b><i>The Wild Blue</i></b></a>, the story of the men who flew the B-24s in WW II.</p>
<p>I have a friend who was a B-24 tail gunner. I&#8217;ll never look at the man the same way again.</p>
<p>B&#8217;shalom,</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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